Comments on: Native Instruments Komplete 6 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/09/01/native-instruments-komplete-6/ Synthesizer and electronic music news, synth and music software reviews and more! Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:36:06 -0500 hourly 1 By: keef66 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/09/01/native-instruments-komplete-6/#comment-141435 keef66 Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:15:44 +0000 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/?p=16471#comment-141435 Their pricing is so erratic I'd swear they've been taken over by an airline company. Drop B4 support, drop me as a customer. Their pricing is so erratic I'd swear they've been taken over by an airline company. Drop B4 support, drop me as a customer.

]]> By: Mark Mosher http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/09/01/native-instruments-komplete-6/#comment-141174 Mark Mosher Sun, 06 Sep 2009 05:17:30 +0000 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/?p=16471#comment-141174 I've owned Absynth since V1 and have upgraded through the years. A while back, I started working on some sound libraries. In choosing a format I've decided on Ableton Live Packs. I'm building "Rack" + Albeton Sampler + built-in FX capabilities because as Torley mentions the workflow is incredible. I've always thought that I might also translate this work to Kontakt because of the large users base and haven't been able to justify the expense. So, rewind a few months back. I decide to buy Massive. I thought, "wouldn't it be great if there was a deal where I could also get Komplete so I get Kotakt". I wouldn't have minded FM8 either (if it's good enough for Kraftwerk...) Since there wasn't a great deal, I dropped the $199 for Massive. Now I'm into NI for over $400 if you consider Absynth plus upgrades throughout the years. Soon after, the "Insane" Komplete firesale is announce at $399 - ouch! Now this announcement soon after. If I'd have jumped on at $399 for the Insane deal I'd be in for another $169 upgrade. This would seem reasonable if they were not months apart. This pricing strategy is pretty iffy if your already an NI users and great if your new. I've been exchanging tweets about this with James and he suggested NI needs a "good customer" policy and I aggree. NI's software is top notch, solid, and loads fast for me. I'll keep using and upgrading Absynth and Massive for years to come. NI missed an opportunity with me with this pricing strategy. The firesale actually pushed me more towards my Ableton and I've become more entenched with Operator instead of FM8, Sampler instead of Kontakt, and will soon be on Max for Live instead of Reaktor - all with a nice consistant, fast, integrated work flow. I've owned Absynth since V1 and have upgraded through the years. A while back, I started working on some sound libraries. In choosing a format I've decided on Ableton Live Packs. I'm building "Rack" + Albeton Sampler + built-in FX capabilities because as Torley mentions the workflow is incredible. I've always thought that I might also translate this work to Kontakt because of the large users base and haven't been able to justify the expense.

So, rewind a few months back. I decide to buy Massive. I thought, "wouldn't it be great if there was a deal where I could also get Komplete so I get Kotakt". I wouldn't have minded FM8 either (if it's good enough for Kraftwerk…) Since there wasn't a great deal, I dropped the $199 for Massive. Now I'm into NI for over $400 if you consider Absynth plus upgrades throughout the years.

Soon after, the "Insane" Komplete firesale is announce at $399 – ouch!

Now this announcement soon after. If I'd have jumped on at $399 for the Insane deal I'd be in for another $169 upgrade. This would seem reasonable if they were not months apart. This pricing strategy is pretty iffy if your already an NI users and great if your new.

I've been exchanging tweets about this with James and he suggested NI needs a "good customer" policy and I aggree. NI's software is top notch, solid, and loads fast for me. I'll keep using and upgrading Absynth and Massive for years to come. NI missed an opportunity with me with this pricing strategy. The firesale actually pushed me more towards my Ableton and I've become more entenched with Operator instead of FM8, Sampler instead of Kontakt, and will soon be on Max for Live instead of Reaktor – all with a nice consistant, fast, integrated work flow.

]]> By: Mark Mosher http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/09/01/native-instruments-komplete-6/#comment-141155 Mark Mosher Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:26:01 +0000 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/?p=16471#comment-141155 I've owned Absynth since V1 and have upgraded through the years. A while back, I started working on some sound libraries. In choosing a format I've decided on Ableton Live Packs. I'm building "Rack" Albeton Sampler built-in FX capabilities because as Torley mentions the workflow is incredible. I've always thought that I might also translate this work to Kontakt because of the large users base and haven't been able to justify the expense. So, rewind a few months back. I decide to buy Massive. I thought, "wouldn't it be great if there was a deal where I could also get Komplete so I get Kotakt". I wouldn't have minded FM8 either (if it's good enough for Kraftwerk...) Since there wasn't a great deal, I dropped the $199 for Massive. Now I'm into NI for over $400 if you consider Absynth plus upgrades throughout the years. Soon after, the "Insane" Komplete firesale is announce at $399 - ouch! Now this announcement soon after. If I'd have jumped on at $399 for the Insane deal I'd be in for another $169 upgrade. This would seem reasonable if they were not months apart. This pricing strategy is pretty iffy if your already an NI users and great if your new. I've been exchanging tweets about this with James and he suggested NI needs a "good customer" policy and I aggree. NI's software is top notch, solid, and loads fast for me. I'll keep using and upgrading Absynth and Massive for years to come. NI missed an opportunity with me with this pricing strategy. The firesale actually pushed me more towards my Ableton and I've become more entenched with Operator instead of FM8, Sampler instead of Kontakt, and will soon be on Max for Live instead of Reaktor - all with a nice consistant, fast, integrated work flow. Mark Mosher http://www.markmoshermusic.com http://www.modulatethis.com I’ve owned Absynth since V1 and have upgraded through the years. A while back, I started working on some sound libraries. In choosing a format I’ve decided on Ableton Live Packs. I’m building “Rack” Albeton Sampler built-in FX capabilities because as Torley mentions the workflow is incredible. I’ve always thought that I might also translate this work to Kontakt because of the large users base and haven’t been able to justify the expense.

So, rewind a few months back. I decide to buy Massive. I thought, “wouldn’t it be great if there was a deal where I could also get Komplete so I get Kotakt”. I wouldn’t have minded FM8 either (if it’s good enough for Kraftwerk…) Since there wasn’t a great deal, I dropped the $199 for Massive. Now I’m into NI for over $400 if you consider Absynth plus upgrades throughout the years.

Soon after, the “Insane” Komplete firesale is announce at $399 – ouch!

Now this announcement soon after. If I’d have jumped on at $399 for the Insane deal I’d be in for another $169 upgrade. This would seem reasonable if they were not months apart. This pricing strategy is pretty iffy if your already an NI users and great if your new.

I’ve been exchanging tweets about this with James and he suggested NI needs a “good customer” policy and I aggree. NI’s software is top notch, solid, and loads fast for me. I’ll keep using and upgrading Absynth and Massive for years to come. NI missed an opportunity with me with this pricing strategy. The firesale actually pushed me more towards my Ableton and I’ve become more entenched with Operator instead of FM8, Sampler instead of Kontakt, and will soon be on Max for Live instead of Reaktor – all with a nice consistant, fast, integrated work flow.

Mark Mosher
http://www.markmoshermusic.com
http://www.modulatethis.com

]]> By: Torley http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/09/01/native-instruments-komplete-6/#comment-141041 Torley Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:05:54 +0000 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/?p=16471#comment-141041 I'm not impressed by this — it may be an even smaller leap than Komplete 4 to 5 (which actually DROPPED the vocoder and delay effects... decisions, decisions). But fairly, some of NI's product line (notably older titles like Pro-53, and technically Reaktor is the oldest) have long-stabilized. I took NI's poll earlier and was hoping for a software-only version of Maschine to be bundled, as counterintuitive as that is. However, context: I got EWQL's CCC so that fills my big sample set craving for awhile. But the $169 upgrade price is great if you have been holding out for a long time with Komplete 2 or 3. @findolyem I, too, look forward to Max for Live. However, re: Reaktor, NI could do better marketing and promotion of user-powered ensembles to more of their customer base. The download area isn't organized very well and I didn't feel adventurous enough to dig deeper. It takes a very special approach to make esoteric musicmaking methods (and tools thereof) appeal to a broader, willing-to-pay audience. Ableton, through compelling videos, engaging spontaneity, and user-centric rapport has a gift for that. I'm not impressed by this — it may be an even smaller leap than Komplete 4 to 5 (which actually DROPPED the vocoder and delay effects… decisions, decisions). But fairly, some of NI's product line (notably older titles like Pro-53, and technically Reaktor is the oldest) have long-stabilized. I took NI's poll earlier and was hoping for a software-only version of Maschine to be bundled, as counterintuitive as that is.

However, context: I got EWQL's CCC so that fills my big sample set craving for awhile. But the $169 upgrade price is great if you have been holding out for a long time with Komplete 2 or 3.

@findolyem I, too, look forward to Max for Live. However, re: Reaktor, NI could do better marketing and promotion of user-powered ensembles to more of their customer base. The download area isn't organized very well and I didn't feel adventurous enough to dig deeper.

It takes a very special approach to make esoteric musicmaking methods (and tools thereof) appeal to a broader, willing-to-pay audience. Ableton, through compelling videos, engaging spontaneity, and user-centric rapport has a gift for that.

]]> By: Dominic D http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/09/01/native-instruments-komplete-6/#comment-140995 Dominic D Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:10:35 +0000 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/?p=16471#comment-140995 no akoustik piano or elektrik piano any more....??? this is like when they stopped supporting vokator and spektral delay... no akoustik piano or elektrik piano any more….??? this is like when they stopped supporting vokator and spektral delay…

]]> By: Dominic D http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/09/01/native-instruments-komplete-6/#comment-140994 Dominic D Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:09:06 +0000 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/?p=16471#comment-140994 I agree... I remember the late 90s when NI was at the top of the VA pile... the products were innovative and sounded top notch... Not any more. When Maschine came out, I immediately bought it only to find out I payed $650 for a bunch of Battery drum kits and a sampler with a crippled feature-set. As a Komplete 5 owner, this new release is downright insulting. No new products, KORE and the soundpacks still not included, no Maschine, nothing new at all... It was bad enough when they stopped updating Spektral delay and Vokator... There is no Akoustik piano OR Elektrik Piano now too?????? wow. I agree… I remember the late 90s when NI was at the top of the VA pile… the products were innovative and sounded top notch… Not any more. When Maschine came out, I immediately bought it only to find out I payed $650 for a bunch of Battery drum kits and a sampler with a crippled feature-set. As a Komplete 5 owner, this new release is downright insulting. No new products, KORE and the soundpacks still not included, no Maschine, nothing new at all… It was bad enough when they stopped updating Spektral delay and Vokator… There is no Akoustik piano OR Elektrik Piano now too?????? wow.

]]> By: Native Rage http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/09/01/native-instruments-komplete-6/#comment-140973 Native Rage Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:03:26 +0000 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/?p=16471#comment-140973 they should give me a 700$ refund to upgrade. they should give me a 700$ refund to upgrade.

]]> By: findolyem http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/09/01/native-instruments-komplete-6/#comment-140971 findolyem Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:39:39 +0000 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/?p=16471#comment-140971 This seems like a pretty questionable update to me. As someone who JUST bought Komplete through NI's firesale I am more than a little miffed. Ok, sure, komplete 5 firesale, obviously k6 is right around the corner. But what are we getting exactly? A new version of Kontakt (sweet), guitar rig, moderatly sweet, absynth.. kinda sweet. Where the hell is Reaktor?? Can we pretty much assume that NI has totally abandoned Reaktor in favor of these bite-sized preset loaded instruments? That sux! Not pleased with NI's treatment of theyre so called flagship. Good thing I just switched to Abes and will be very strongly considering switching to max for live for my bizarro mega synth needs. NI, YOU DONE FELL OFF! This seems like a pretty questionable update to me. As someone who JUST bought Komplete through NI's firesale I am more than a little miffed. Ok, sure, komplete 5 firesale, obviously k6 is right around the corner. But what are we getting exactly? A new version of Kontakt (sweet), guitar rig, moderatly sweet, absynth.. kinda sweet. Where the hell is Reaktor?? Can we pretty much assume that NI has totally abandoned Reaktor in favor of these bite-sized preset loaded instruments? That sux! Not pleased with NI's treatment of theyre so called flagship. Good thing I just switched to Abes and will be very strongly considering switching to max for live for my bizarro mega synth needs. NI, YOU DONE FELL OFF!

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