Remember that DAW poll we mentioned the other day?
The one where Ableton Live was blowing all other DAW’s out of the water?
That post seemed to have generated a lot of attention.
Especially from FL Studio fans – who’ve responded by pushing Image Line‘s own DAW to the top.
It may have helped that Image Line did a little social engineering on Twitter:
And they asked their 20,000 fans on Facebook to help rig the results:
We reconfigured the poll to ban multiple votes from the same IP address. This has the potential to cause problems for some users, but should minimize multiple votes from the same user.
No hard feelings to Image Line – they’re just trying to bury the competition.
But – given that Image Line has had a bit of fun with us and that the 2010 Synthtopia DAW Poll may reflect a bit of an FL Studio bias as a result….we would not be too surprised or shocked if other DAW makers and users decided to respond with a DAW-poll death-blow. Hya!
yeah maybe max should write a new modular daw that can be played live. work in collaboration with gol. after sending gol to night school to learn c++. shouldn't take him long since they probably have a lot of similarities. and then allow fl studio to be run inside this new 64 bit host as a vst. shouldn't be that hard with all that framework and experience there. time and effort is all it takes and seems the logical step.
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That's a forum post you retard, not a twitterbullshit.com fart flying out to all retarded offspring of a FL crackpot and their caretakers. If there are no forum posts at the DUC or Cubase.net mentioning that poll, it tells you more about these products than anything else doesnt it? Take your medication.
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"The last poll the Reaper guys rigged..:" What the f..k are you fantasizing about? Unike this stupid poll, the MR poll was accessible to registered users only, and every stupid fanboy in the stupid DAW world had an equal change to mobilize everyone being a registered MR reader and a probably a few extremely delusional guys who registered there just for that, they all did and there was no more "social engineering" involved. And I'm happy the FL guys did that, it just shows how stupid and useless these polls are, take 10 polls and you get 10 different winners.
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"The last poll the Reaper guys rigged..:" What the f..k are you fantasizing about? Unike this stupid poll, the MR poll was accessible to registered users only, and every stupid fanboy in the stupid DAW world had an equal change to mobilize everyone being a registered MR reader and a probably a few extremely delusional guys who registered there just for that, they all did and there was no more "social engineering" involved. And I'm happy the FL guys did that, it just shows how stupid and useless these polls are, take 10 polls and you get 10 different winners.
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That's a forum post you retard, not a twitterbullshit.com fart flying out to all retarded offspring of a FL crackpot and their caretakers. If there are no forum posts at the DUC or Cubase.net mentioning that poll, it tells you more about these products than anything else doesnt it? Take your medication.
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That's a forum post you retard, not a twitterbullshit.com fart flying out to all retarded offspring of a FL crackpot and their caretakers. If there are no forum posts at the DUC or Cubase.net mentioning that poll, it tells you more about these products than anything else doesnt it? Take your medication.
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Hi Cho,
Thanks for the support but for some people the glass will always be half empty.
We have seen our +300.000 customer base grow with 10.000s of satisfied customers every year and judging from the almost 5000 people that decided to pay between $13 & $120 for Drumaxx in less than a month one might wonder who/what's mediocre here
Regards,
Jean-Marie Cannie
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Hi Cho,
Thanks for the support but for some people the glass will always be half empty.
We have seen our +300.000 customer base grow with 10.000s of satisfied customers every year and judging from the almost 5000 people that decided to pay between $13 & $120 for Drumaxx in less than a month one might wonder who/what's mediocre here
Regards,
Jean-Marie Cannie
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Hi,
We have a lot more coming from Maxx in the future. Please stay tuned and you might be surprised how well your crystal ball works
FL10 will be able to bridge 64-bit plugins so each of them will have there own (virtually) unlimited memory space to work in.
Regards,
Jean-Marie Cannie
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sounds like a great start, but there's a long way to go. playing catchup isn't the best of positions to be in at this time.
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I agree, very crappy comparison.
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I am confused. Fruityloops is not limiting. I can record singing, guitar and it has VST synthesizers and effects. It is a great program. I tried to use Reason and it has no VST and no audio recording but they make you pay $200 to add audio recording. That is limiting.
Each year Image Line is giving me a new Fruityloops that is always better than the last. I have not this good experience with other software companies.
What program do you say is better?
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I am confused. Fruityloops is not limiting. I can record singing, guitar and it has VST synthesizers and effects. It is a great program. I tried to use Reason and it has no VST and no audio recording but they make you pay $200 to add audio recording. That is limiting.
Each year Image Line is giving me a new Fruityloops that is always better than the last. I have not this good experience with other software companies.
What program do you say is better?
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I am confused. Fruityloops is not limiting. I can record singing, guitar and it has VST synthesizers and effects. It is a great program. I tried to use Reason and it has no VST and no audio recording but they make you pay $200 to add audio recording. That is limiting.
Each year Image Line is giving me a new Fruityloops that is always better than the last. I have not this good experience with other software companies.
What program do you say is better?
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I am confused. Fruityloops is not limiting. I can record singing, guitar and it has VST synthesizers and effects. It is a great program. I tried to use Reason and it has no VST and no audio recording but they make you pay $200 to add audio recording. That is limiting.
Each year Image Line is giving me a new Fruityloops that is always better than the last. I have not this good experience with other software companies.
What program do you say is better?
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cho,
not sure why you assume anger, it's just the true disappointing facts and limitations that FL Studio carries with it.
as for your numbers growing… due to more people making music, perhaps. as for increasing interest in a feature for feature competitor, then no. it seems pretty obvious that the future only holds higher and higher precision to our tools. it's sad that you're too busy defending what you have, instead of working with your user base and making it the best it could be. it's sad that a company like yours, in the position you are in, shrug off useful, desired and some times necessary tools to be added.
remember the arm wrestling match between the need of sidechain compression? Looks like you guys are finally making attempts at giving users options to use a larger mixer. That only took years until the developer caved and gave people those types of options.
i could continue on and on about several things through my perspective, but just as a customer since version 3, i'm sure you won't be listening anyways.
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cho,
not sure why you assume anger, it's just the true disappointing facts and limitations that FL Studio carries with it.
as for your numbers growing… due to more people making music, perhaps. as for increasing interest in a feature for feature competitor, then no. it seems pretty obvious that the future only holds higher and higher precision to our tools. it's sad that you're too busy defending what you have, instead of working with your user base and making it the best it could be. it's sad that a company like yours, in the position you are in, shrug off useful, desired and some times necessary tools to be added.
remember the arm wrestling match between the need of sidechain compression? Looks like you guys are finally making attempts at giving users options to use a larger mixer. That only took years until the developer caved and gave people those types of options.
i could continue on and on about several things through my perspective, but just as a customer since version 3, i'm sure you won't be listening anyways.
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sounds like a great start, but there's a long way to go. playing catchup isn't the best of positions to be in at this time.
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sounds like a great start, but there's a long way to go. playing catchup isn't the best of positions to be in at this time.
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you can always deny it and pretend it doesn't matter
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I do everything in Record/Reason that I can because it functions well and fast and doesn't typically crash. I use Ableton for anything beyond the Props capabilities and for remixing/ sound mangling. I never even open Pro Tools and generally think it no longer offers much beyond specific applications.
DAW Wars are dumb- regardless of what I prefer or anyone else uses. If I was doing the same work in FL studio and getting paid no actual client would care. A poor craftsman blames his tools- A bored and uninspired craftsman debates endlessly about whether or not his tools are "THE BEST."
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I do everything in Record/Reason that I can because it functions well and fast and doesn't typically crash. I use Ableton for anything beyond the Props capabilities and for remixing/ sound mangling. I never even open Pro Tools and generally think it no longer offers much beyond specific applications.
DAW Wars are dumb- regardless of what I prefer or anyone else uses. If I was doing the same work in FL studio and getting paid no actual client would care. A poor craftsman blames his tools- A bored and uninspired craftsman debates endlessly about whether or not his tools are "THE BEST."
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Right on. To be honest I thought Reason wasn't quite up to the task by itself, but since adding Record it can do everything I want, quickly and easily. I still don't consider Reason + Record to be a direct competitor to all these other "Swiss Army" DAWS…it's more like an alternative to the DAW scene. And I love it.
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Right on. To be honest I thought Reason wasn't quite up to the task by itself, but since adding Record it can do everything I want, quickly and easily. I still don't consider Reason + Record to be a direct competitor to all these other "Swiss Army" DAWS…it's more like an alternative to the DAW scene. And I love it.
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you can always deny it and pretend it doesn't matter
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you can always deny it and pretend it doesn't matter
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At point blank school the Logic courses are the most popular at the moment, closely followed by Ableton, although we don't offer any in FL or Pro Tools. Demand for Cubase and Reason has really dropped off in the past year.
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At point blank school the Logic courses are the most popular at the moment, closely followed by Ableton, although we don't offer any in FL or Pro Tools. Demand for Cubase and Reason has really dropped off in the past year.
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Well if he replied with the DAW he used then he would have to face up to criticism of his own DAW. But he won't he's a coward.
All DAWs have weaknesses. But all DAWs today allow you to do whatever you need really. I don't get people who complain about them, especially ones they have chosen not to use.
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Well if he replied with the DAW he used then he would have to face up to criticism of his own DAW. But he won't he's a coward.
All DAWs have weaknesses. But all DAWs today allow you to do whatever you need really. I don't get people who complain about them, especially ones they have chosen not to use.
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A few good points seem to have been made here and of course the usual interweb folly.
I'll say this: The first album I did when learning FL studio started off poorly until I really began "gettin it" conceptually. (I love pattern based recording! ) Then I wrote some dense and polished tracks where due to FL's excellent automation routines was sonically interesting. Its main shortcoming wasn't sound or processing power, its that it can't be run under Mac os x. If crashes are killing your creativity like they were mine, bite the bullet and get Logic Studio. Currently I run a g5 2.0 dp with 5 gigs of ram and it is amazingly stable and it along with my motu system( 1296, 308, 2412) interfaces the various preamps, hardware compressors, and EQ's, amps, hardware amp sims and hardware synths really elegantly. It is also a breeze to use. Those were important factors to me. I write songs and produce, I don't play productions live, I play guitar and a few other instruments where we have four people on stage and the two are different worlds to me, I've seen deadmau5 live and its awesome but so is simple three chord rock live. Now I have buddies that use Ableton in a live setting and they are doing some really cool stuff with it -but as solo artists. Its a big distinction. Its all about goals and priorities just like most of life, get the one that works the way YOU work, try the demos.
I have tried Reaper -not as fast an interface as logic and it crashes, but for sixty bucks? What a deal.
Cubase- on Atari, (I've been doing this for a while…) PC and Mac it has been less than ideal for me. Sync issues, crashes and poor support from Steinberg.
Pro tools HD is freakin Amazing!! Rock solid and a trained pro on that system is fast like no one else, its also so out of my budget that I'll probably never use it unless I have a label project I'm working on, LE or mbox? Kind of like any lite software… uninspired and part of a marketing plan. BUT, if you are going to take your project to a studio, use it. The Engineer was probably trained on pro tools so he or she will have you in and out of the studio in no time flat and you'll have a polished project.
Adobe audition has some excellent tools in it and I'll be using it when I get a Mac Pro as it does an excellent job of mastering.
Digital Performer, Tracktion and the reason/ record/ recycle trilogy I have never used. I'd be interested in why others like or dislike those DAWs.
Sonar is another good one as is Samplitude and when i was only using a pc I used them both I liked the V vocal plugin on sonar 7 but the interface was a clunker on the plug in and in Sonar in general, things were just hard to find and i spent most of my time reading the manuals and asking questions on forums.
My ideal is a pattern based DAW like fruity, with Logic like stability and the mastering capabilities of Audition.
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A few good points seem to have been made here and of course the usual interweb folly.
I'll say this: The first album I did when learning FL studio started off poorly until I really began "gettin it" conceptually. (I love pattern based recording! ) Then I wrote some dense and polished tracks where due to FL's excellent automation routines was sonically interesting. Its main shortcoming wasn't sound or processing power, its that it can't be run under Mac os x. If crashes are killing your creativity like they were mine, bite the bullet and get Logic Studio. Currently I run a g5 2.0 dp with 5 gigs of ram and it is amazingly stable and it along with my motu system( 1296, 308, 2412) interfaces the various preamps, hardware compressors, and EQ's, amps, hardware amp sims and hardware synths really elegantly. It is also a breeze to use. Those were important factors to me. I write songs and produce, I don't play productions live, I play guitar and a few other instruments where we have four people on stage and the two are different worlds to me, I've seen deadmau5 live and its awesome but so is simple three chord rock live. Now I have buddies that use Ableton in a live setting and they are doing some really cool stuff with it -but as solo artists. Its a big distinction. Its all about goals and priorities just like most of life, get the one that works the way YOU work, try the demos.
I have tried Reaper -not as fast an interface as logic and it crashes, but for sixty bucks? What a deal.
Cubase- on Atari, (I've been doing this for a while…) PC and Mac it has been less than ideal for me. Sync issues, crashes and poor support from Steinberg.
Pro tools HD is freakin Amazing!! Rock solid and a trained pro on that system is fast like no one else, its also so out of my budget that I'll probably never use it unless I have a label project I'm working on, LE or mbox? Kind of like any lite software… uninspired and part of a marketing plan. BUT, if you are going to take your project to a studio, use it. The Engineer was probably trained on pro tools so he or she will have you in and out of the studio in no time flat and you'll have a polished project.
Adobe audition has some excellent tools in it and I'll be using it when I get a Mac Pro as it does an excellent job of mastering.
Digital Performer, Tracktion and the reason/ record/ recycle trilogy I have never used. I'd be interested in why others like or dislike those DAWs.
Sonar is another good one as is Samplitude and when i was only using a pc I used them both I liked the V vocal plugin on sonar 7 but the interface was a clunker on the plug in and in Sonar in general, things were just hard to find and i spent most of my time reading the manuals and asking questions on forums.
My ideal is a pattern based DAW like fruity, with Logic like stability and the mastering capabilities of Audition.
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