Karlheinz Stockhausen’s Electronic Music Tips (For Aphex Twin, Plastikman & Others)

Back in 1995, classical composer and electronic music pioneer Karlheinz Stockhausen (22 August 1928 – 5 December 2007) took the time to give a listen to some then-current tracks by Aphex Twin, Plasticman, Scanner and Daniel Pemberton.

While his comments are a few years old, they’re worth reading for his perspective.

Stockhausen had these music tips for the artists:

I wish those musicians would not allow themselves any repetitions, and would go faster in developing their ideas or their findings, because I don’t appreciate at all this permanent repetitive language.

It is like someone who is stuttering all the time, and can’t get words out of his mouth. I think musicians should have very concise figures and not rely on this fashionable psychology. I don’t like psychology whatsoever: using music like a drug is stupid.

One shouldn’t do that: music is the product of the highest human intelligence, and of the best senses, the listening senses and of imagination and intuition.

And as soon as it becomes just a means for ambiance, as we say, environment, or for being used for certain purposes, then music becomes a whore, and one should not allow that really; one should not serve any existing demands or in particular not commercial values. That would be terrible: that is selling out the music.

In addition to Stockhausen’s general reactions to the state of art in edgier electronica, he had comments on the specific artists and their work.

Stockhausen On Aphex Twin:

I heard the piece Aphex Twin of Richard James carefully: I think it would be very helpful if he listens to my work Song Of The Youth, which is electronic music, and a young boy’s voice singing with himself. Because he would then immediately stop with all these post-African repetitions, and he would look for changing tempi and changing rhythms, and he would not allow to repeat any rhythm if it were varied to some extent and if it did not have a direction in its sequence of variations.

Stockhausen On Plasticman:

It starts with 30 or 40 – I don’t know, I haven’t counted them – fifths in parallel, always the same perfect fifths, you see, changing from one to the next, and then comes in hundreds of repetitions of one small section of an African rhythm: duh-duh-dum, etc, and I think it would be helpful if he listened to Cycle for percussion, which is only a 15 minute long piece of mine for a percussionist,.

But there he will have a hell to understand the rhythms, and I think he will get a taste for very interesting non-metric and non-periodic rhythms.

I know that he wants to have a special effect in dancing bars, or wherever it is, on the public who like to dream away with such repetitions, but he should be very careful, because the public will sell him out immediately for something else, if a new kind of musical drug is on the market.

So he should be very careful and separate as soon as possible from the belief in this kind of public.

Stockhausen On Scanner:

The other is Robin Rimbaud, Scanner, I’ve heard, with radio noises.

He is very experimental, because he is searching in a realm of sound which is not usually used for music. But I think he should transform more what he finds.

He leaves it too much in a raw state. He has a good sense of atmosphere, but he is too repetitive again. So let him listen to my work Hymnen. There are found objects – a lot like he finds with his scanner, you see. But I think he should learn from the art of transformation, so that what you find sounds completely new, as I sometimes say, like an apple on the moon.

Stockhausen on Daniel Pemberton:

Then there’s another one: Daniel Pemberton.

His work has noise loops: he likes loops, a loop effect, like in musique concrète, where I worked in 1952.

Pierre Henry and Schaeffer himself, they found some sounds, like say the sounds of a casserole, they made a loop, and then they transposed this loop. So I think he should give up this loop; it is too old-fashioned. Really.

He likes train rhythms, and I think when he comes to a soft spot, a quiet, his harmony sounds to my ears like ice cream harmony. It is so kitchy; he should stay away from these ninths and sevenths and tenths in parallel: so, look for a harmony that sounds new and sounds like Pemberton and not like anything else.

He should listen to Kontakte, which has among my works the largest scale of harmonic, unusual and very demanding harmonic relationships. I like to tell the musicians that they should learn from works which already gone through a lot of temptations and have refused to give in to these stylistic or to these fashionable temptations.

What do you think of Stockhausen’s tips for electronic musicians?

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74 thoughts on “Karlheinz Stockhausen’s Electronic Music Tips (For Aphex Twin, Plastikman & Others)

  1. So, I know that contributing to this conversation doesn’t really solve anything or help anyone reach conclusions. I am an electronic “art music” composer and a huge fan of Stockhausen’s music, but also a huge fan of Aphex Twin, Scanner, etc.

    I’d just like to comment that yes, Stockhausen had a lot of very polarized (and therefore provocative) opinions that he was not hesitant to share–largely for the sake of starting a ruckus like this one. But the fact is, the man was brilliant and he now is dead. I can’t help but feel that calling him a “twat” or whatever else is really disrespectful.

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  2. I think pretty much all of what Stockhausen says is “spot on” and most of you guys are misunderstanding what he’s trying to say. Either that, or you guys are just biased against Germans… :p
    Stuff like, “And as soon as it becomes just a means for ambiance, as we say, environment, or for being used for certain purposes, then music becomes a whore, and one should not allow that really; one should not serve any existing demands or in particular not commercial values. That would be terrible: that is selling out the music.” is SO true.

    After hearing this, I have admit it actually encourages me to want to change my listening habits, it’s some great advice.

    In fact, I don’t get all this hate/dislike of Stockhausen. What’s wrong with everyones ears? His music is insanely adventurous and rewarding if you listen closely to it. Very few composers have the guts not to go with “fashionable trends”. I’m happy he decided *not* to.

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  3. Stockhausen was a big fan of African music. His complaint about IDM composers re-using African music is that they take a tiny segment of the source and then repeat it, without changes – whereas the original would ebb and flow, go polyrhythmic, would breathe.

    I loved this article. Stockhausen had every reason to be a curmudgeon, and his criticisms are spot-on – very constructive and interesting.

    I’d say it’s a great honor to have Stockhausen give tips on your electronic work. It is quite literally like Beethoven commenting on your symphony. I’m quite sure that it’s one of the things that Aphex Twin (who’s a dynamite composer himself) is most proud of.

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  4. Music like food or any number of things has many purposes and to limit oneself is absurd as his constant use of repetition to inveigh repetition

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  5. I do agree about repetitions! It makes me bored listening to it. I hate that songs which takes 2 – or more – mins of repetitive beat introductions, without variations and that expectation for…what’s next?. repetitions It is not minimalism, its a lack of creativity.

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  6. I can’t say that I disagree with him, but really – quoting your own work as an example of how to do things right just makes you seem like a pompous git.

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  7. “Stock”. Might have his pieces and almost as much texts to read but this selfish comments totally emphasize what I always believed.. Academic composers are filled with ignorance and intolerance.. Simply, someone answering with “he should listen to my piece […] ” shows a big lack of empathy and knowledge about a genre.. (apart from a well fed Ego..)
    then there is the “oh.. 9ths and 7ths are so “out” moment… What the f%%%%.. To experiment with bad sounding chords, we have the academia. Get the title, do whatever the fuck you want, nobody inside your academic bubble will have the balls to criticise you or the totally fucked up academia situation itself..

    I’m neither a fan of the above mentioned electronic artists at all, nor I hate KArl’s  work.. but I like to set the academia on fire.. Because I love music of all kind and Academia does bad to it (even to experimental music)

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