Did The Mayans Really Predict The Demise Of Apple’s Logic Pro?

Multiple blogs have speculated in the last day that 2012 may see the demise of Logic Pro:

  • Bobby Owsinski writes “word has leaked out of Apple Europe (where Logic development is based) that the company has let go virtually its entire Logic team.”
  • At MacWorld, Karen Haslam says “There may be no future for Apple’s pro audio application Logic if reports that the company has ‘decimated’ its Pro Audio applications team turn out to be true..”
  • “There may be no future for Apple’s pro audio application Logic,” according to Computerworld, “if reports that the company has ‘decimated’ its Pro Audio applications team turn out to be true.”

Yes – and the Mayans may have predicted the demise of Logic Pro in 2012 – if it turns out that Apple actually kills off Logic Pro this year, based on a lost Mayan prophecy.

Where Does The Logic Pro Death-Watch Rumor Come From?

The source of the Logic Pro death-watch rumors is Russ Hughes at the Pro Tools Expert site. He writes:

Apple’s Pro Audio application team is virtually gone, according to recent conversations with a couple of ex-Apple employees. Europe is now down to just two pro application specialists according to sources, with the key pro applications job going and with no plans to replace the post.

Futhermore, we have been told that the next big audio application from Apple will be for the iPad.

Of course, none of this is confirmed and Apple never respond to speculation or rumour.

While there’s no credible source to confirm the Logic Pro death watch rumor, there are many things that suggest just the opposite:

  • While it’s been several years since the last Logic Pro release, it’s pretty normal for companies to spend several years on an update, (See Ableton Live 9);
  • Apple has been updating Logic Pro regularly and just updated it last month;
  • Apple is patenting new music technologies;
  • It doesn’t appear that the company has dismissed any significant portion of its Logic staff;
  • They’re hiring audio technicians to support Logic Pro and work on CoreAudio; and
  • Logic Pro is the #2 music app in the Mac App Store, behind Garageband.

Think the rumors are true? Or are you more worried about that 2012 Mayan doomsday thing?

Leave a comment and let us know what you think!

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96 thoughts on “Did The Mayans Really Predict The Demise Of Apple’s Logic Pro?

  1. i feel again now towards the apple the way i did when they acquired emagic and discontinued logic for pc!

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    • The team was not, I repeat NOT decimated. Nearly everyone received an opportunity (package) to relocate to Cupertino. Some took it (most) whilst others decided to remain in Germany. That is all. This is nonsense at its finest.

      Apple is not abandoning anything or anyone. Avid is getting its a** handed back to them in a basket with Apples aggressive pricing. They have started this false rumour in hopes of stemming the bleeding. They are well aware that Apple will most likely remain silent on the matter as they always do. Thus Avid is being opportunistic if not completely unethical at best.

      Beyond that, Logic will be supported. The next version will be released early next year. It will ‘decimate’ Avid (Pro Tools) and compete well with Ableton.

      Cheers

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      • I don’t know where you’re getting your information from but I really hope that it’s accurate. Logic is by far my favorite DAW and I would be devastated if Apple killed it. So thank you for restoring hope to me.

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  2. I’m really confused. Wasn’t the Logic Pro team also responsible for the development of GarageBand? Now that’s a hit application I don’t see going away any time soon. Who is going to develop it further?

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  3. Logic isn’t going anywhere.

    The Mayan’s didn’t say Dec 21, 2012 was going to be a Doomsday … it’s just the end of an age and dawning of a golden one.

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    • They actually didn’t predict anything. Some mayan guy just stopped carving his calendar. Everything since then has been complete speculation on the part of people desperate for something to be afraid of/look forward to.

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  4. Welll we hava a Cubase 7 release just around the corner, so it looks like it might be some black PR movement…. When people have doubts about Logic’s future they might want to go Cubendo route. As for Logic I heard just the opposite – theat they do work on a new release and that it will be a breakthrough in terms of touch-controlling abilities.

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  5. They might be waiting for everyone else to release their big updates and then steal the features and selling Logic at half the price, just because they can…

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  6. The rumor doesn’t jibe with Apple’s aquisition of Redmatica. If their plan is to retire Logic, why purchase technology specific to it?

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  7. No more Logic, ending of video servers, no more 17″ laptops, no ethernet ports, no support for raid cards on MacPro, iPhonesque Interface and plenty of system limitations on OSX… The trend is clear : Apple used to be one of the best unix systems, but they are now abandonning professionnal customers to deliver consumer iStuff… It’s time to leave :-)

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  8. Lol. I doubt it will be abandoned. More likely it will be logic x, with major ipad controller integration. New midi au support, reimagined sampling. Sold without jam content on the App Store. Super cheap.

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  9. Not buying it, the rumor that is. Logic is a solid product, if and when they release its update it will be killer.

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  10. The writing is on the wall. Apple makes it’s money making consumer mobile products. The professional market is very small, and they’ll (continue) to abandon it as it’s just not that profitable.

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  11. For me it’s simple clear that Apple will go the “consumer way”, no longer supporting professional
    Software for Video, DCTP or Audio. This kind of software made Apple famous and they will drop it like its hot. Buy a handmade PC with Cubase 7 or whatever else.
    Now, post your comments dear Apple users.
    All professionals: Leave NOW! The mob is coming and there is no Steve here.

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  12. Regardless of the amount of truth here it has got me looking. The only other DAW on the market that I see with Logic’s level of Pro features is Pro Tools. If Logic does indeed go away, Avid should offer a crossgrade to Pro Tools 10 to pick up the user base.
    In either case I think Apple needs to make some sort of announcement soon saying it’s not true or many people will just believe that it is.

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    • i would never exchange logic for pro-tools even if they give me an entire hd rack for free.
      i would go to cubase instead, but probably i would stick with logic 9 for at least a dozen years.

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  13. this discussion is awesome. speculation upon hearsay upon a rumour started on a protools-specific website. apple make no money from software, and this has been the case for a loooong time, way before idevices started to dominate their revenue. the point is, if you’re a logic fan, you have to buy an expensive/hi-margin computer to run it. and apple *do* make money from computers.

    aaand, if they did make logic for ipad, even in some stripped down form, they would equally sell a shit ton of ipads, and a lot of copies of logic.

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    • exactly. can you only imagine the amount of music making market share they´d lose.
      would make 0 sense even for apples decision processes.

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  14. These rumors are all based on the same story.. that actually originated over a year ago in regards to the marketing/sales team for the BOXED version of Logic Studio being made redundant after Logic was made an App Store only product… The original news item had nothing to do with the development team for Logic… just the marketing/sales team that was no longer needed. It amazes me how a Pro Tools website article based on year old news, can cause such a stir….

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  15. My friend’s cousin heard from a waitress at a bar near Avid HQ in Burlington that she heard from a patron a few weeks ago that Avid was about to cease making Pro Tools for OS X. It’s obvious that means that Apple will no longer manufacture professional workstations.

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    • I was on the phone with Apple about an upgrade Wednesday and no mention of any abandonment of Logic. I’ve used 2 other DAWS and ended up hating them because of glaring lacks and rotten customer support. Logic runs in a well-oiled manner. Of course, Apple is a big company and by definition, they’ll inevitably screw people in the rear somehow. That’s corporate culture, which is in turn a distillation of the shittier parts of human nature. Still, Microsoft is a synonym for arrogance and marginal competence. If Apple drops pro audio, I’ll be dipped in dinosaur bile before I’ll use a damned PC again. It’ll mean the start of my own back-to-hardware movement. After all, my 1991 Korg workstation STILL WORKS. I’ve been through 2 PCs and 4 Macs in that time and pulled out a lot of hair over them. Some of my old floppies have succumbed to the Weiss domains effect and passed away, but the synth plows on. I’m sure a Kronos or Krome attached to a hard disk would be quite potent, in part because the OS is a fixed entity and look Ma, no $#@! vendors or “upgrades” to have to eat!

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  16. After all I’ve read and heard during the last year, I think it becomes more and more likely that Apple will combine Logic and GarageBand into something like “GarageBand Pro” – maybe they will call it “Logic Pro X” for marketing reasons, but I guess they will re-orientate it, with user-friendliness above functionality. Specifically, I’m thinking of something like Final Cut X, that has essentially been “iMovie Pro”. I don’t like it, but I’m afraid that the same might happen to Logic. It would go with the overall current strategy of Apple that seems to say: more lifestyle toys, less professional tools.

    But of course, this is all purely speculative…

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    • >user-friendliness above functionality

      These two things are not mutually exclusive! And if you think FInal Cut Pro X isn’t a professional tool, you are very wrong. By making video easier to edit, the app didn’t become “unprofessional”, it just created even more “professionals”. You don’t whine about not having to make a custom boot disk to run your favorite DAW, do you? Time marches on, things get easier to do, and we all get to focus on the creative part rather than the technical part.

      If your professional status relied on difficult to use tools that were hard to obtain, you’d better bone up on your core skills or you will be bagging groceries soon.

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      • See thats where you are wrong. What Final Cut X did was awful. It added features that weren’t useful to pros, and took away a lot that were. That is why pros left it like the plague. They made that clear through hardly customizable templates, god awful uncustomizable effects, and the support of importing iMovie projects long before importing old Final Cut Pro projects. The “ease of use” that he was describing was misunderstood. Because what they did, very clearly might i add, was take away customization, which wasn’t too difficult, in order for it to be more approachable and idiot-proof. Its essentially like Apple deciding that keys became too difficult so they limited every project to a major or a natural minor, and that effect chains were too complicated for customers to wrap their heads around so effects were reduced to hardly changeable presets, essentially disenfranchising the pro customers. I am not saying that that is what they are going to do necessarily, just trying to explain what they already did do to the pro video community. Apple could decide to just integrate the ipad, or to improve on the live performance aspect, but either way i dont honestly believe that the logic brand will completely vanish, and the Final Cut X app has already been discredited as a professional video editing software…

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  17. I find it hard to believe they would stop developing audio/music applications altogether, but I think it’s entirely feasible that their strategy will “evolve” more towards consumer-oriented (i.e. GarageBand on iPad) rather than professional. I just hope they don’t abandon Logic for at least another year or two because I can’t afford a cross-grade right now! Unless Steinberg or some other enterprising company decides to pick up the Logic user base by offering a fantastic deal? Hear me, guys?

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    • If Steinberg picked up Logic, I’d drop it like a red hot lead ingot. Any company that makes you reload the reverb component by hand every time there is an “upgrade” to their DAW is guilty of really sloppy coding. That was the straw that broke me of my Cubase use and made me a Logic fan. Everyone has their good and bad stories, but being handed an incomplete product is an inexcusable kick in the music-nads. I appreciate it all the more when someone like Ableton or Moog ‘fess up to their errors and fix them readily. I like rewarding such behavior with money.

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  18. Macworld wrote about a PT guys saying, there are two pro application specialists left. Those are marketing guys and the pro marketing has been slushed down years ago, that’s nothing new.

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  19. Image-Line and FL STUDIO will self destruct over a fake 64 bit version video released earlier this year. It was faked to help keep hopeful users around. They’re continuing their false promises by announcing a MAC version which still is current Vapor Ware.

    The inability for Image-Line to transfer, translate and convert all existing 32 bit based assembler code and other codecs type attributes will become too much and unattainable. Their lack of a stable and working 64 compiler will be their downfall.

    The audio recording software industry will leave Image-Line and it’s promises of a 64 Bit FL Studio locked deeply in broken promises of future memories.

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    • You never miss a chance don’t you?

      Do you spend you entire days spewing this nonsense on music blogs?

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      • Yeah this dude spends his whole life expressing his hate for FL Studio. His body is full of tattoos to represent his opinion about it. He’s pretty hardcore.

        No actually he’s totally gay about it but he can’t admit it to himself.

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    • Bro, just move on. Yeah, image-line is a shady company but whatever, they aren’t the first and they won’t be the last.

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  20. Well as a professional film maker who uses Final Cut 7, which is a brilliant piece of software, I can tell you Final Cut X was basically iMovie Pro. Its very good, but its more of a top end prosumer product now. When it came down to investing in software for home editing I went to Adobe Premiere, had no choice, which is pretty much the same thing as Final Cut 7 and more, but it will continue to be supported.

    IF Logic X takes the same path its game over for high end users. It will effectively be Garageband Pro and most Logic 9 users will jump ship. To which platform? I’ve no idea, i’ve never used anything else, and equally I’m happy to continue with Logic 9, it does almost everything I want.

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    • FWIW – I like the idea of a GarageBand Pro that has the capabilities of Logic Pro.

      Make it super easy to use, but let power users did in and edit instruments, add as many effects as they want, set up mix routings, etc.

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      • I can’t wait to read his answer. I’ve noticed that lots of people parrot that same thing about FCPX yet never say what’s missing.

        Brian, what films are you credited with doing?

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          • Great. Now that I know you’re not purely trolling, what features are missing that make it inadequate for professionals? Saying, “I don’t like the way it works” is opinion and doesn’t answer the question. You mentioned elsewhere something about presets, but that seems a bit specious. What else is inadequate or missing?

            I sounds like you haven’t used it since the dot zero release. There have been several significant updates since then, with each being released approximately every three months.

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            • Oh, your now satisfied I’m not trolling? There was nothing in my posts to suggest I was trolling. Does negative comments about Apple make me a troll? I posted that link to my reel 21 hours ago dude, 3 hours BEFORE you asked me for a second time what i’d done, as though it was implied that I had done nothing of worth. Pay attention, you now sound like a troll.

              ST, what work within the film/video environment are you credited with doing? What productions that you’ve passed through your FCX suite have made it onto national TV, or in Cinemas in festivals all over the world? What real experience do you have of using FCX in an environment where there are expectations and standards that have to be met, without excuses and in a timely fashion?

              I’ve posted several links now, all of it high end productions. Show us what you’ve done that makes your opinion superior and more relevant.

              Go on. If you dont show us a link now to your work then your just a hobbyist and your opinion of it as a professional tool is utterly meaningless.

              Go on, post a link.

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              • I’m an A/V hobbyist. My profession has absolutely nothing to do with video and audio. That said, I’m not the one claiming that FCPX isn’t a professional tool. You are, and that means the burden of proof is *on you*. So, other than the fact that you personally don’t like it, what is missing that makes it a prosumer application instead of a professional application?

                I’ve been calling you a troll because you, like almost every single person I’ve seen bitch about FCPX online, doesn’t ever explain why it isn’t a professional tool.

                So, answer the question in terms that aren’t purely opinion.

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              • Your an AV hobbyist? You write those dismissive posts about my personal experience on FCX in a ‘real’ environment, and your a bloody hobbyist?

                So editing is a pastime for you, a source of entertainment? FCX (iMovie Pro) is a very entertaining piece of software, so now it all makes sense.

                So you’ve no real experience using the software in a professional environment?

                You’ve never had to cut to a deadline?

                You’ve never had to output a project in a professional format that can be broadcast?

                You’ve never had to output a finished project to a HD archive tape?

                You’ve never had to output a timeline to a Baselight Grading suite, with handles on each shot, with no room for error because the costs are thousands of dollars per hour?

                You’ve never had a client sitting over your shoulder whilst you make tweaks to their $600,000 TV commercial that has to go into the grade in 10 mins to get on air tomorrow, and FXC decides to fucking move everything because you trimmed a frame?

                Any experience using Avid, Premiere etc in a professional environment? Any way of comparing the work flow of one to the other in terms of working with graders, flame artists, AE artists, sound designers etc all of whom are using different computers and sometimes different computer platforms?

                And you put up dismissive posts like that about me as though it is assumed I’m an idiot because I don’t like FCX? Even before I answered, you put up the post “I can’t wait to read his answer. I’ve noticed that lots of people parrot that same thing about FCPX yet never say what’s missing.” You just assumed I didn’t know what I was talking about, and you’re a fucking hobbyist?

                After I post you links to my work, which you requested, you don’t even have the courtesy to acknowledge them? You see a trailer for a beautiful looking film I shot in Thailand, despite living in Dublin, Ireland, and your not even curious how and why I did it?

                After I explain on at least 3 occasions that there isn’t anything necessarily missing from FCX, you keep asking me what’s missing?

                After I explain twice that its the operation and workflow that is inferior, you keep asking me what’s missing?

                You admit your a hobbyist but still take the higher ground, as though you could possibly have any experience that compares with mine?

                Its a application that has been completely discredited by pros and you think they’re just ‘bitching’, as you put it?

                What you don’t understand about pros, because your a hobbyist, is there are two kinds.

                Those who work full time is post production facilities, therefore they don’t pay for the software, therefore they don’t ‘have to’ like, like you do, so their opinion is unbiased, unlike yours.

                Then there are the freelancers, most of whom don’t use just one software package, they use them ALL, so they can plug into any facility and switch over to any editing platform depending on what’s expected. Did you know that?

                So if they say something is shit, its not because they’ve invested in premiere and they ‘need’ it to be better, like you do. Its because in their experience (which in many cases goes back decades ) of using ALL of the different editing software out there, from one week to the next, from one facility to the next, from one director to the next, FCX doesn’t cut the mustard and perform to the level they need.

                And you, as a hobbyist are not in a position to say they are wrong, because you have no idea what they need or what demands are put on them, or what way they think creatively and how that translates from brain to keyboard. You have no idea what a pro editor needs his edit software to deliver so he can create the finest cut possible.

                Ever see those adverts for those weird painting tools that make ‘painting your home a doddle’? Ever see a professional painter use them? That’s what FCX is, its a tool that makes ‘editing a doddle’. And like those tools, that appeals to amateur DIY-ists all over the world because “hey, i’m shit at painting but there’s no wobbly paint lines anymore”, in a real professional environment they are just gimmicks that get in the way of the job at hand. – Painting the fucking room.

                Go paint a room.

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      • It’s not that features are missing on Final Cut X, it just doesn’t operate the way you expect a professional piece of editing software to work. It’s designed to look attractive rather than intuitive and it does a lot of stuff for you (like generating animated titles, which is handy for doing stuff in a hurry and for non pro stuff but not what a professional production would want). I found simple stuff like trimming frames really tricky and editing audio was a pain in the ass. Its as though the software is designed for someone who wants to throw something together without much knowledge and make it look really good but for a serious production it just felt like a toy.

        I would describe GarageBand as a very useful toy which makes music production easy, but frustrating for a proper producer and if Logic goes the FCX route it’ll be a prettier and more feature laden version of GarageBand, but no longer a truly pro application.

        That’s my 2 cent.

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        • >It’s not that features are missing on Final Cut X, it just doesn’t operate the way you expect a
          >professional piece of editing software to work.

          I completely disagree. FCPX works very intuitively if you aren’t stuck in the old way of doing things which emulate tape machines. Whining about “easy” being “not pro” is just your fear of becoming obsolete because you will now have to compete with other people on your creative skills alone, not just your elite knowledge of an overly complicated process. It no longer takes an expensive education or lots of time to learn to edit video. It takes a couple hours, tops. And that’s a good thing because now more people can contribute to the great artistic conversation we have as a species.

          Do you also complain that you can send a text message without first manually connecting to a server via a command line interface? Do you hand code HTML and javascript to post an image to Facebook? Do you hand crank your car to start it? Do you pick your own cotton and spin wool for clothes? Easy to use tools are GREAT and exactly what we have all been waiting for since software started to be useful. Don’t pull back when it finally starts to be truly easy to use and affordable.

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      • Big feature missing is no OMF export. That alone kills it for me. Also No built in mixer. Have you tried to do a great temp mix in FCPX? It sucks big time. Track arrangements suck big time to, the snapping
        and pushing and automatic placement. Guess what FCP, sometimes dialoge is an effect. Easy way to import FCP 7 project. This is huge if your in a Pro facility with tons of FCP7 stations and project that need to be updated or changed. Not to mention lacking video output to tape machines and machine control. Also color correction sucks and no direct Color support. (if you broadcast that one is huge!) There is plenty of stuff thats missing. Now FCPX doesn’t suck I use both. But it is missing a ton of stuff that will keep it out of production facilities. Youtubers will love it, Independents will love it
        but most Pro (as in I get a weekly check and cut dozens of promo spots, comercial or TV shows) Hate it. Its not Pro enough for them.

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      • @Xtopher thank for the really obnoxious reply.

        Couple of things, firstly I didn’t go to film school, im a self taught director, so not sure why you mention expensive education. Some sort of insecurity or lack of imagination I assume.

        To be clear, by professional i mean its my sole source of income, its how I feed myself and my kids.

        Secondly, it may take a couple of hours to learn how to push buttons on a edit suite, but to learn editing to a high level takes thousands of hours. If you don’t know that you don’t know anything about editing. There are editors out there who arent even very good at using the software, but great editors have a feel for the work, frame for frame. They know which frame to start on and which frame to end on and any software that gets in the way of that or which imposes its own creative techniques upon your work is a toy, like a music making app that just triggers samples. Sounds good, but it’s not composing.

        Whilst you may like FCPX I find it to be a prosumer toy, a better version of iMovie. When I say ‘easy’, let me give you an example so you understand what I mean. In final cut x there are lots of very impressive animations you can apply to titles, they look great. But the fact is they will turn up on every low end TV production and like an overused drum sample, will become a sign of lack of creativity and less ‘artistic’ as you put it. They are simply lazy and don’t encourage creativity or originality. I know they look good, I’ve used them for demo stuff and show reels, but I would never put them on a professional production because I know they will turn up on something else, and that is the quickest way to cheapen something.

        I’m sure if I spent long enough on it the amateur thought process FCX encourages would sink in and I’d get used to it, but why would I bother? I have Premiere now, a proper piece of editing software which interacts seamlessly with after effects, photoshop etc. it’s very expensive and not for everyone, and I do think FCX is terrific value for money, but not for me, or many pro editors it would seem.

        I couldn’t care less that you don’t agree with my opinion, and keep in mind i’m a director not an editor, but your anger at my response is truly bizarre and suggests a certain frustration on your part. Maybe because you think it’s a reflection on you that you like something that a professional film maker doesn’t. I’m not a snob, I don’t care how inexpensive something is, I just think FCX is not a truly pro edit software.

        If you think FCX is fun, your right, it is. But if you think it’s as smooth to operate and as intuitive as FC7, or Premiere or Avid, it’s not, and I do t know a single professional editor who uses it.

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        • So basically your main complaint is that FCPX came with too many nice presets? Ok, so don’t use them…btw have you seen all the overused and crappy preset effects in After Effects? Oh no, I guess AE is a toy huh? Also it’s hardly expensive since it’s part of that post-production bundle which basically means if you buy AE and CS they give you free copy of Premier (and their other crappy tools like Flash too).

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          • No, my main complaint is that it’s a fucking toy. I was illustrating why by using the titles presets as an example of something that makes you look good with little skill but ultimately would be avoided by a professional due to the likelyhood that it would turn up on another production. Unlike AE presets which are applied to your own footage and therefore behave differently, are jnfinitely tweak-able, and dont yeild the exact same result for every user because the footage used is unique. But i also made it very clear the thought process behind editing is aimed at amateurs not pros, by allowing you to quickly assemble something that looks good. Theres nothing wrong with that, but the craft of editing doesn’t lie in the assembly, it lies in the fine cutting, and FCX is more clumsy in this department that’s FC7 and the rest.

            CS suite is $1700, FCX is $250. You cant buy Premiere as stand alone so you have to fork out a fair whack of cash, therefore my poiint about it being expensive.

            Why is everyone so offended because a professional film maker thinks FCX is shit? Just because you think it’s great doesn’t mean I’m wrong, and considering I’ve sat through over 200 TV commercial edits, 20 pop promos (which were self edited) and three short films during my 13 years as a professional director I think I’ve served the time required to identify an edit programme that is doesn’t make the cut. Pardon the pun.

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            • I still think you’re full of it until you say which movies you’ve directed.

              So far, your two examples are the same that every self-proclaimed whiny troll on Internet uses to complain about FCPX.

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              • I’m full of it? I already answered this with the link above to over 40 TV commercial. A small selection from over 200 I’ve directed since 2001.

                I also won the Hartley Merill international screenwriting prize at the Cannes film festival in 2005 and below you’ll find links to two shorts, one of which was shot in Thailand in 2010 and is being developed into a feature.

                FCX = iMovie Pro. Get over it.

                http://www.redragefilms.com/shortfilms/crossingsalween/

                http://vimeo.com/m/51276737

                Any more comments?

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              • Dude, you never really mentioned what mission critical feature is missing? It sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about.

                The features that all the “pros” were complaining about were lack of XML export (which was added a long time ago) and some other obscure crap for live TV broadcasts or whatever.

                No one was ever complaining about the actual editing functionality…which is why you look like a bit of an ass.

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            • @ Huh

              I cant reply below for some reason, so heres my reply to your post below.

              I never mentioned mission critical features or that there was anything missing. You said that. I said its functionality was not intuitive and felt like a prosumer product, cant you read? I said its functionality was like an upgraded version of iMovie, not an upgraded version of FC7, which is what was expected. Cant you read? In my opinion, and others, its clearly been designed to appeal to wedding video editors and people who mess around because it gives them good quick results for the content they have. Nothing wrong with that, but its should be called iMovie Pro, because thats what it is.

              In a pro environment its about the cut. All the other stuff like grading and FX are done elsewhere and on that level, as someone who works solely in a professional environment it doesnt work for me. Unless you also work in a professional post production environment your opinion about it as a pro product is irrelevant.

              In terms of XML support etc. Thats not my job, i’m the director, thats someone elses job to sort out, my opinion on it is based purely on my own experiences using it to edit, and on that front I found it to be a dissapointment.

              Thats my opinion, take it or leave it, and unless you can show me a link to something worthwhile you’ve done your opinion i utterly worthless.

              Finally, how do I look like an ass because I don’t like a piece of software? I fail to see that. I don’t like Ferarris but I do like Porsches. I cant give a good reason why, I just do. Does that make me an ass also? I don’t like the taste of fish but I do like chicken. Does that make me an ass? How does my personal taste in software make me an ass?

              Before you answer, post a link to your work. Go on, show us how brilliant you are.

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  21. Well as a high end Apple user I buy a new Mac pro every 4 years.
    So I guess I am not as valuable asthe prosumer who buys a new Ipad ever 6 months.
    That`s just the way it is. Yes Logic 9 is great till they no longer support it.
    In favor of some cheaper App store downgraded version.
    Times are a changing I guess.

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    • No, my main complaint is that it’s a fucking toy. I was illustrating why by using the titles presets as an example of something that makes you look good with little skill but ultimately would be avoided by a professional due to the likelyhood that it would turn up on another production. Unlike AE presets which are applied to your own footage and therefore behave differently, are jnfinitely tweak-able, and dont yeild the exact same result for every user because the footage used is unique. But i also made it very clear the thought process behind editing is aimed at amateurs not pros, by allowing you to quickly assemble something that looks good. Theres nothing wrong with that, but the craft of editing doesn’t lie in the assembly, it lies in the fine cutting, and FCX is more clumsy in this department that’s FC7 and the rest.

      CS suite is $1700, FCX is $250. You cant buy Premiere as stand alone so you have to fork out a fair whack of cash, therefore my poiint about it being expensive.

      Why is everyone so offended because a professional film maker thinks FCX is shit? Just because you think it’s great doesn’t mean I’m wrong, and considering I’ve sat through over 200 TV commercial edits, 20 pop promos (which were self edited) and three short films during my 13 years as a professional director I think I’ve served the time required to identify an edit programme that is doesn’t make the cut. Pardon the pun.

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    • Yourself included.

      The article asks “Think the rumors (about the demise of Logic) are true? Or are you more worried about that 2012 Mayan doomsday thing?”

      As far as I can tell having both read and commented on the article, almost all the comments are from people discussing if the rumours of the demise of Logic are true. If your referring to the lack on commentary on the Mayan calender bit, that part was a joke.

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  22. Hey, maybe they shit canned the European Logic team because they were taking too damn long to finish the update to Logic 10? That sounds most plausible to me since Apple has been cleaning house of incompetents lately.

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    • the team they canned, a year ago, was a customer-facing group of product specialists / sales people. not coding people.

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  23. Reaper works on Mac & PC and is updated more often …… I dare say it is more professional in most aspects. I was a logic user on the PC when they killed it. I am glad they did that, because it made me find a new and better product … Reaper.

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  24. The team was not, I repeat NOT decimated. Nearly everyone received an opportunity (package) to relocate to Cupertino. Some took it (most) whilst others decided to remain in Germany. That is all. This is nonsense at its finest.

    Apple is not abandoning anything or anyone. Avid is getting its a** handed back to them in a basket with Apples aggressive pricing. They have started this false rumour in hopes of stemming the bleeding. They are well aware that Apple will most likely remain silent on the matter as they always do. Thus Avid is being opportunistic if not completely unethical at best.

    Beyond that, Logic will be supported. The next version will be released early next year. It will ‘decimate’ Avid (Pro Tools) and compete well with Ableton.

    Cheers

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    • To “decimate” Pro Tools it would have to lock down it’s platform more for better stability. Logic and Ableton are really different beasts altogether. Ableton is a DJ performance tool with a DAW backend and Logic is a pro DAW. (Don’t get me wrong, I use both but they really are not in the same category).
      I do agree we will see a release in early 2013 (after doing some research on this rumor) and it will be very good. (read as NOT GarageBand Pro) Personally I’m hoping for the integration of the Redmatica software (I was a licensed user) as well as updates to EXS24 to help catch it up a bit. I’m praying for better layout options when it comes to the mixer (Please let me just drag a strip where I want it!) I’m also looking forward to whatever else Apple comes up with. I moved to the Mac because of Logic, can’t wait to see what’s next!

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  25. Hmmm try logic 9.1 every version in 64 bit on mountain lion……even the latest update did not fx the lag issue for many users. check the internet for numereous users that have a non functioning logic 9 on their mountain lion macs….it took apple 3 months after mountain to have a so called ” fixing the issue” update ( 9.1.8 )
    snow leopard rules!

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  26. I heard from someone close to the development team, that the next version of Logic, which is code named “Barbie”, is under development and features a new GUI but still retains all the Pro elements of Logic v9

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  27. Logic sucks, everyone including the major producers already went to PC where all the softsynths are updated regularly and prioritized over the MAC, not to mention a lot of softsynths not being on mac at all. Mac is dead in the music industry.

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  28. This is ridiculous. Apple moved most of its Logic staff to Cupertino to consolidate its Logic team. Logic X will be released in 2013.

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  29. Oh my god! So much wishful thinking over here. The future will be Linux and you will see many companys porting their code onto it, except Apple. They have OSX/Unix or whatever it will become in future.
    It was a great loss when Logic became an Apple exclusive product. They have taken responsibility for a A-Class product but fail with every tiny update. I did a Hackintosh to see what i missed the last seven years and saw Logic 5.5. Where are the news? Mainly updates to adjust to the latest OSX. So why keep on waiting dear Logic users. There was no risk taken to innovate and the future will be Windows 8 like. Garageband/Metro on the surface and the Pro-features underneath. With iPad support, wow! I’m really looking forward to the new Ableton and Cubase versions. It looks like they go Pro!

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    • Yeah, but if they innovate too much you will get guys like the video editor a few posts up whining that FCPX is too easy to use….

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  30. I love you Apple faithful. Logic may or may not be on the way out, but it’s f**king obvious Apple is slowly but surely getting out of the professional marketplace. I’ve been told as much by Apple reps. They don’t make money at it, and it’s not in keeping with the direction that has made them the biggest company in the world. Their success is built on iOS devices. The “professional” offerings will be gone in a few years. But go ahead, dislike this post and keep drinking the Kool Aid.

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      • Maybe we see a big bang happen in 2013 with a complete rewritten Logic X outperforming any Daw. This would excuse everything. Who wants to bet?

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    • So who are the “Apple Faithful” supposed to switch to? The crappy toy tablet OS known as Windows 8? Yeah, I’ll stick with Apple thanks.

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      • I just read that sales of Windows 8-based laptops are down 21% from this time last year in their corner of the field. The new OS is not getting good reviews. I’m not a frothing type of Apple fan; I simpy use Macs because they always seem to work in a stable manner, especially for music. By contrast, every new Windows change seems to be a clumsy mess, as if MIcrosoft never LEARNS from either the competition or their own past flops. That alone makes them untouchable for my real-world needs. Anyone wanna swap stories about running ScanDisk until your brain boiled over? Its not a personal bias against the company if springs pop out of your car every time you drive it. That’s nasty ol’ Reality. :P

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  31. logic is not dead. The 9.1.8 update for me is an indication that there is no true dedication in the team to make Logic 9 work flawlessly. Might be an indication that X is on the corner…….
    for now Logic 9 only works 100% on snow leopard.

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