Moog Music today announced the Subsequent 37 CV, a variant of the Sub 37 that adds new assignable control voltage patch points for modular connectivity, an improved keybed and an updated mixer.
“We are really excited to incorporate community feedback into the evolution of an instrument. Adding CV interconnectivity was the starting point,” says Moog Chief Engineer Cyril Lance, “but we have also increased the headroom in the mixer and significantly extended the range of Multidrive, giving the Subsequent 37 CV expanded sonic capability and modular control.”
The Moog Subsequent 37 CV offers four assignable CV outputs and two assignable Gate outputs for interconnectivity with large-format and Eurorack modular systems, an upgraded keybed for improved playability, a high-powered headphone amplifier, and a modified analog signal path.
The Subsequent 37 CV’s mixer now has double the headroom of the Sub 37 Tribute Edition. The gain-staging of the Ladder filter has also been reshaped to boost harmonic saturation and analog compression. Finally, the Multidrive circuit has been updated to extend beyond ‘the grit and growl of the original Sub 37’.
- Sound engine evolution – greater sonic dimension
- More multidrive – wider range and dirtier than ever before
- Room for two – more headroom means duo mode sounds better
- 6 assignable outputs – modular connectivity with 4x cv outs and 2x gate outs
- Upgraded keybed – lightweight with swift action, velocity and aftertouch
- High-power headphone amp – makes it easier to cue up sounds in loud of venues.
Here’s the official intro video:
Pricing and Availability
Subsequent 37 CV production will be limited to 2000 pieces. The first 125 units will be available for $1,799 through Guitar Center and on-site at the Moog Pop-Up Factory during Moogfest 2017, May 18-21. See the Moog site for details.
50 thoughts on “Moog Intros Subsequent 37 CV – A Sub 37 On Steroids”
honestly is much more like the sub 37 took aspirine than steroids
I’m happy to see an updated version of the Sub37 with expanded features. They’re obviously keenly aware that people want to integrate with eurorack spaghetti monsters, and it’s great to have the flexibility of standalone or patched modes.
Does the top panel move off the moulding piece or is that just a photo of a prototype?
Thats how its assembled. You remove a few screws on the side and the front panel, and you can lift the entire front panel to remove a penny that somehow gets into your used Sub 37:)
I always end up with a thumbtack somehow
I hate those limited versions, that’s very frustrating, you have to pay now or you’ll never get it. F@&k all those manufacturers that do that kind of marketing.
Indeed! You have be wronged!
Something like this being limited seems to me like an unstated “but wait, there’s more.” This seems like an evolutionary half-step at best.
cv outs def make it more attractive. don’t really like the silver, but also i never bout a synth because of its color way.
what about the thousands (tens of thousands?) of Sub 37s already sold. Wonder if there will be an upgrade path for those (similar to the mods Moog used to do with the original Voyagers)?
Nah, the original board made CV outs impossible. This must be a new board.
Agree that the silver is not nearly as sexy. And will probably look even worse with the yellow lightshow.
Improved keybed intrigues me. It’s the absolute only place I rag on my sub 37 and the only part of it not built like a tank. Many keys wobble side to side and looking at it eye level, keys are visibly not flat across the board.
I’m sure of this limited model gets a good response they will keep it on. It makes sense not to commit to having a more expensive model in the line up unless there is a corosponding interest. The original Sub 37 is a “Tribute Edition.”
All of these advertising tactics work, that’s why they’re used. Behringer teased the hell out of the DM12, with excellent results. Has the Novation Peak garnered the same attention? Not even close.
LOTS of people complained about the endless Behringer hype for the DM12.
The reason the DM12 is successful isn’t because of great marketing or that it’s a fantastic synth – it’s that it’s CHEAP.
The Novation Peak looks like a great synth, but it’s for people are looking a capable synth, vs a cheap synth. The market for serious synths is a lot smaller than for cheap synths, so I don’t think anybody would expect the Peak to sell like the DM12.
Look at the market for mini-keyboards – people say they hate them, but minikey synths are always best-sellers, because there are tons of people that are willing to spend $500 on a cheap synth.
The price for the Subservient 37 CV, though, is getting up there close to the DSI Pro 2, which is a MUCH more capable synth. So I think a lot of buyers would start leaning towards the Pro 2 or the MatrixBrute.
The Pro 2 is very capable, but does it sound as good as Moog?
That’s a really good response! I recently got a prophet 12, sounds digital as shit. Maybe I need to look it up since it was an open box impulse buy but I thought it was analog. Nothing warm about it or at least not comparable to the Moog sub 37. Moog definitely is a piece of gear that has a sound. To some, that matters. Like the eurorack club, they ain’t buying those to have the greatest synth ever, its more in the function. So to each their own. It dam, money ain’t free.
the p12 is capable of very warm sounds, but it takes some effort. I would ditch my sub37 before I ditched my p12. that said, the pro2 is warmer due to the filters. sub37 is warm as soon as you turn it on, but the trade off is it’s spectrum of capabilities is a lot narrower.
Some people complained about the hype, and for sure the price was a big selling point, but your points and the efficacy of the advertising campaign are not mutually exclusive. There was a lot of attention, positive and negative as a result of the ad campaign. Lots were complaining, and lots were enjoying.
So the DM12 is cheap at $1000, and the Peak is capable and serious at $1300?
If the Pro2 is so much more capable than the Sub37, why would anyone buy a Sub 37? Surely $500 is a reasonable price to pay for such a difference? lol
I don’t think they sound similar enough to make such a comparison.
Is my memory correct that Moog is suppose to be coming out with a polysynth? I’ve got my Voyager, three Mother 32’s, and a Minitaur. The last thing I need is another Moog mono or duo synth.
Right there with you. I have 2 voyagers and an RME. I want a solid polyphonic synth.
Why don’t you just play one key on each of your synths, two hands one foot?
What is the point of cv outs ? Using the synth as a mono cv keyboard or an extra lfo ?
I would understand cv ins or a mix of both but come on, Moog !
It already had CV and gate in. http://cdm.link/app/uploads/2014/01/sub37side.jpg
This update is more about making it like a MIDI ‘master’ keyboard, for modular nerds. Speaking of, would be kinda neat if you could split the keybed. 🙂
Those are INPUTS, not OUTPUTS.
Now the Sub 37 has 6 CV/Gate outputs, and all CV’s are assignable, which is a lot more powerful.
Most people with a modular want to be able to play it with a keyboard, so offering CV eliminates the need to get a separate CV control keyboard and also lets you sequence your modular from the Subservient 37.
Couldn’t this be accomplished with the midi out from the Sub37 Tribute Edition into a Eurorack midi interface?
Yes but that necessitates having something else to do the MIDI to CV. Having it all in one and being able to assign the CV Outs makes the Sub37 a nice modular controller.
How’s a new analog mixer to have more headroom the previous one?
Different design obviously. Though I always thought the low headroom was a positive for these older synths so they could be overdriven.
Oh yawn yawn yawn yawns let’s play with marbles.
on steroids would have been a 16 voice poly! sub-one-freakin-milloin!! haha.
for some reason i still always like to play 3 and 4 note chords so hi Dave! 🙂
I’m going through my couch cushions and coat pockets and under my car seats to collect the spare change for a Behringer Minimoog knock off. And oh, I won’t need an “improved keybed” because I can use my awesome >3 octave controller.
Sorry Moog. If you want to dazzle, you’ve got to produce what people really want. Not rehashed mono synths, but rather a poly synth.
Sub37 costs the same amount as Dave Smith’s 8 voice and 500 more than Behringer’s 12 voice. While I agree there is nothing quite like a Moog, can they be competitive in this market with all the oscillators they’d need to add? I am sure they would be VCO instead of DSI and Behringer’s DCO.
As someone extremely happy with his Sub37 and in the market for an analog poly, I don’t think I’d shell out more than about $2,000 for Moog over the DSI (assuming specs are comparable).
People seem to be confused about paying for polyphony vs monophony.
Polyphony is cheap these days – you can get an 128 voice synth for $500. Or, like you mentioned, a 12-voice analog for $1,000. And the synth circuits probably only account for $30-40 of that price.
What makes a synth expensive is the build quality and the number of controls. Moog’s materials and build are really nice and definitely a step up from the DM12 and most cheaper synths. .
The Sub 37, for example has more than 100 knobs and switches – way more than something like the DM12. And the knobs and switches on a Moog are a lot better quality, too. THAT’s the sort of thing that makes a synth cost more these days, not polyphony.
If Moog eventually does a polyphonic synth, I’d expect them to do it with nice materials and lots of knobs, for it to sound amazing, and for it to end up priced more like a DSI synth as a result.
I just got a DM12 literally today. I am quite suprised actually by its build quality, I’d say its about on par with my old Roland Juno 6 (the budget poly of its day) But yeah its hard to beat Moog pure build quality. I’ve had Oberheims and Rolands crap out on me over the years, but never a Moog.
It would be great to see Moog innovate again. This synth is boring af.
Very, very cool!
I think it’s cool. It makes sense as an upgrade; it’s like the C/V upgrade they offered for the Little Phatty. It’s a very good mono synth getting a few tweaks and upgrades. If you need the Moog sound I think this is a great buy. If you need a cheaper Moog, get a Sub Phatty.
Good point. It does follow the same history pattern as the LP.
About time Moog put something out to use the CV ins on a lot of their stuff.
Looking at this comments of complaints always makes me laugh. People want more voices on a Moog, I get it. But are you willing to pay more that 2k for it? Or will that be another excuse for to complain again?
And I bet it still only has a low pass filter on it?
I own a sub 37, And think this synth is the best synth iv played. Nice EG’s very fast in loop mode. It did get voted best synth by sound on sound , Plus it says better drive more head room which is allways welcome in my books. Having some cv control to route around makes sense with a eurorack set up…… 🙂
Price is about $300 more than the Sub37 Tribute. I’m hoping they roll in the changes such as increased overhead, enhanced feedback circuit and improved headphone monitoring into the Tribute, since I don’t really need the modular connections.
I pulled the trigger as soon as the announcement went through. My biggest excuse for buying it was for the CV Outs that could interact with MoogerFoogers effects. I’m fairly sure I got in one of the early pre-orders. But there just wasn’t enough for me after reading the scant tech details on the Moog site and watching the demo. Sorry. I really was looking forward to it but I cancelled my order.
only 2000 being made eh? i thought MY sub37 was a “Limited Edition”…seems it was limited to HOW MANY THEY COULD SELL.
so it turns out mine wasnt a limited edition, but Moog promises that THIS one is actually the limited edition one now eh. Well that little boy has cried wolf more than once here Moog. Talk about burning customers in one sweeping LIE….
Couldn’t Moog make an expander box for existing Sub 37 Owners?
Like Midi In / Thru – CV / Gate Outs? (with a software update?)
I bought one and im very happy with it so far. It plays nicely with my modular-system.
I watched out Moog synths since ten+ years and never decided to buy one but as i saw the features of the Subsequent 37 CV i couldn resist. I like the sound and i think its a great alternative to buying individual parts/modules (what would be the price for the parts like these loopable DAHDSR EG`s, Filter, VCA, sequencer, Osc`s – in this kind of quality, do the math). I dont care marketing/youtube-videos etc. in real this synth sounds and looks nice, glad i went to a store and convinced myself. The OSC`s got variable/morphable waveshape which is also a feature i whished for a long time.
I also tested the Matrixbrute btw. which has an incredible feature-set but i prefered the Moog for its sound and i was NOT excepting a polysynth.
Maybe i will also buy a poly one day but this is another story and im already aware that this will be “a bit” more pricey then 2k for a decent one (i dont like DCO´s).