Behringer today officially announced pricing and availability details for their upcoming Behringer D Minimoog clone:
It’s now official – Model D Synth price is US$ 299.99 MAP.
With over 20,000 backorders, we have achieved so must interest, that we are able to offer this iconic synth at such an incredible price.
Because of our upcoming factory move we will be shipping the synth in Q4 2017. Thank you for your support and patience.
Now that that’s official, what do you think the company’s next step should be? Should they make a keyboard version or a keyboard case for it? Let us know what you think in the comments!
Maybe something brand new? 😉
the deepminds are brand new..there’s 3 versions
I’m so sick of this statement/question. I have been into synthesizers for almost 30 years and I love all types of synthesis, but THIS statement is really what’s boring. It’s probably just trolling, but damn, I am so sick of it on just about every post. Why are you even reading this post if you are not interested in this OLD synth. I for one will jump at the opportunity to own this synth, and I have more synths that I can fit in one room. I love how it’s always ‘make something new’, but most of the people who make these comments could not even conceive something new, let alone bring it to market. On top of that, most of those ‘something new’ synths fail miserably in the market and are often forgotten. There is a reason there are 20,000 (don’t know if that’s a real number) pre-orders for this synth…
Sorry, man. I lot my cool for a minute. Hopefully, I didn’t come off like too much of a jerk! 🙂
Nah man. You speak truth! 🙂
The Korg Minilogue is “something new” and it’s one of the best selling Korg synths of all time. Same with the Volcas, Moog Sub 37, et al. Perhaps the OP is annoyed that Behringer seems to be basing its business model on using cheap labor to build someone else’s intellectual property and then undercutting the company they stole from.
Hey Markus. I’ve bought instruments the last couple years year from Korg, Roland, Yamaha, DSI, Teenage Engineering, and many others. All were either entirely made in asia, or predominantly used components made there. So that checks the box of “uses cheap labor” that you mention, right? Also, 100% of these used things such as oscillator, envelope, and filter designs that were pioneered by other people, not them, so that means they used “someone else’s intellectual property”.
Markus, could you provide a list for me that contains the commercial electronic instruments you own which don’t use anyone else’s intellectual property, and which are made without any cheap labor? I’d like to see that list of your electronic instruments Markus. Thank you.
The patent is no longer valid. It’s been 40 years on the Minimoog. Anyone can use the intellectual property now..so they stole nothing.
No doubt, something new usually sounds like crap. There is a reason people are paying 10,000.00 for a Jupiter 8, because so far nothing created has sounded better.
An ARP 2600 if Korg aren’t going to.
@Monochrome:
An ARP2600-ish would be cool, but then at a form-factor somewhat bigger than the doll-house version.
It would be cumbersome though. I think the 2600 is the only synth who could take benefit from a “mini” treatment.
I really like form factor of the TTSH 2600 clone. I’ve only spent about 30 minutes with a real Arp 2600 and, though chunky, it feels really nice to work with. I’d do a back flip for a 2600 reissue from Korg at the TTSH form factor.
Agree. The TTSH looks like the better form factor.
make more eurorack
OSCar! OSCar! OSCar! OSCar! …
And make it ugly as sin like the original.
Digital / Analogue Hybrid for $299 w/ built in sequencer.
I wouldn’t mind a keyboard version of this Behringer D with a sequencer and the ability to store/recall patches.
Wouldn’t that be the Roland SE-02?
With knobs intended for human use, please.
the SE02 sounds way different than this, more like an Arp than a moog IMO
Patches would be too much to ask, but I think they’ll surely come out with a keyboard version (500/600$ maybe?), which is the only one worth buying imho, a module isn’t that handy outside of an euro-rack environment.
They have to come up with a sampler , with ten outs .
It does not have to be a big deal , an S950 re modelled
Man, I would kill for a 8-16 voice sample with multi-mode analog filters. 8-24bit sample support would be icing on the cake? Throw in a couple gigs of flash RAM and SSD streaming, and I might just quit my job and go off the grid to live with my new sampler.
20.000 backorders…
The scale of it says it all when compared to the minor classy companies. The way Uli makes stuff, how he understand the industry and production is no less than impressive.
Behringer is simply attempting to take advantage of Moog’s sound, style and market recognition. Nothing impressive about that.
While having the economics of scale to actually take advantage of it!
The scale of the manufacturing fleet and distribution networks Behringer has built over the years by building cheap knock-offs is truly something magnificent and very hard to replicate.
Are you really saying there’s nothing impressive about a 300 dollar patchable Eurorack Minimoog?
This is what happens when you sell a product for what’s actually worth, simply. We’re overpaying our synths and keyboards, just like we did ’til the 90s (I’ll never forget that the Triton LE costed as low as 800$: you could have – almost – a flagship with less than a grand).
Keep in mind it is the epic scale of mass manufacturing and minimal quality control that makes this possible.
For a small or boutique company the parts cost for this could easily be around 300 (or more depending on the chassis/faceplate) never mind assembling it, testing it, or trying to make a profit.
Indeed. A real Moog uses 95% US parts, hand assembled with US labor laws and standards, 48 hour burn in, and 100% lot check QC before they leave the factory. Not to mention they do all their own R&D.
I wouldn’t expect finding a lot of these Behringers second hand, as Behringers are not known as “built to last” products.
@Kenny: My Behringer MX8000 has lasted over 15 years now and only shows issues since 1 year with some channels no longer working reliably. As for the Ultra-Voice Pro and Ultramatch Pro, no issues since many-many years. On the other hand, the Roland JD-800 I have (and which was never used on the road, only in a non-smokers studio environment) did not last that long. It exhibited issues with the built in effects (noise and more) after 10 years of use, the faders started to stop working, the buttons too – and since around 2 years, the keyboards is falling to pieces, with the metal parts unterneath the keys simply falling off. Hmm …
‘Minimal quality control’ is nothing more than an suggestive assumption by you, isn’t it? I mean, in my opinion Behringer is more in the position to do sincere quality control than whatever boutique builder. I think it has not been without reason that they just now give the definitive price.
Uli Behringer’s claim that they’re the only company that prices instruments by starting at cost and working up is ridiculous (I’m writing this while a bill of materials spreadsheet is open on another screen).
When pricing an instrument, we *all* calculate the cost of parts, board fab + assembly, case and packaging. Then we add R&D, graphic design and marketing (amortized over X thousand units) and come up with our final raw cost.
However, here in North America we have to pay our workers a lot more. Engineering is expensive, as is trans-oceanic shipping and case manufacturing. There’s no way we could afford to make something like the Model D for $300, let alone the $200 or so it wholesales for.
This is the reality of manufacturing. I work hard make good original gear at a fair price, while making sure that our employees and contractors earn decent salaries. We’re not getting rich, but we are doing what we love.
Triton LE for 800 bucks is a good affair. You pay the same for the Krome now. And competitors, similar, cost the same money… MOXF, FA…
MD: Same but 6 voices and program memory… and multiple voice allocation programs like they do with the DeepMind.
@Matt: That would be the memory moog , at the price of a Roland SE-02
Going to snatch one of these off the 2nd hand market next year so quick.
20K preorders and cheap price probably means a lot of people buying it off the cuff.
Makes perfect sense to me. Give it a year or so and wait for them to show up on ebay and buy a couple of them on the cheap and cross patch the crap out of them!!! Think they could get as low as $100 used?
Even the Korg Volcas go for not much less used than new and they are flimsy pieces of junk. I wouldn’t expect it would go for $100 unless there is something wrong with it.
Dreams… it will cost 250-300 bucks used… The same as we observe with minilogue or jd-xi. Popular instruments rarely drop the price even used, of course if in good condition.
This is based on the assumption that there really are 20k preorders. Behringer has a reputation that goes beyond the DeepMind.
Or that they will still work in a year.
I would definitely wait for batch 3 or so.
A Novachord clone for under $1000 would be nice? 😉
Seriously though, a small inexpensive MIDI to poly assign box would be nice, that way you could buy 12 Behringer D and have a 12 note mini moog poly for under $4000.
Would you really need 12 times the same panel?
Just make a voiceboard out of the D internals… add patch memory and TC effects… and go from there!
I’m hearing December to get one of these. My SE-02 preorder on the other hand will be in my hand in September I’m told.
keyboard version
The ability to eurorack it!
If I’m not mistaken, a previous Synthtopia post about this synth did mention that you can pop it into a Eurorack, um, rack. Good news for some of us.
Oh. I must have missed it. I hope so!
Uli’s gonna wear out a few whips getting those factory workers in china cranking so they don’t miss Christmas shipping.
Jupiter-8 clone
£454 is the advertised price in the UK! https://www.bax-shop.co.uk/synthesizer/behringer-d-synthesizer
Can’t be right. Be more like €399. Who are Bax anyways? Sounds dodge
Bax is far from dodgy. It’s origins are in the Netherlands, where it is by far the biggest webshop for musical instruments, deejay gear and almost everything else music-, lighting- and stage related.
Fullsize analog SH 101 clone. I’d buy all three colors
With memory and arp.
now i have to choose between the fingersonic and the d.
JK.
$1400 KEITH EMERSON MODULAR MOOG CLONE! WE WANT! GIVE!
Something not based in the past would be nice.
Deepmind?
Everything is based on the past.
Or based on the future?
Darn 20,000 pre-orders! Glad I got my Sweetwater pre-order in a couple months ago when they opened up pre-orders for a day then closed them. Guess I’ll probably get it by spring or summer ?
Clones of:
– Sequential Circuits – Pro-One
– Korg – Mono/Poly (with arpeggiator sequenced voices)
– Yamaha – CS(10, 15, 40) series
– ….
how about a mini model 15 modular clone?
or model 55
Moog has released already an awesome Model 15 iPad app. Sounds and looks great and is worth checking out. https://itunes.apple.com/app/id1041465860?mt=8&uo=8&at=11l4Kv
Do something new. If not something new do a clone that no one else is doing or has done like an ARP Quadra.
Go new, or go obscure.
I was just looking at that yesterday evening. Would be awesome. Eurorack is to expensive for my wallet. Like to have everything together in one rig.
… or Arp Solina, Arp Omni, Elka Synthex, Oberheim Xpander
Make a beautiful VCS3 Putney
Wow at this price, some will be tempted to buy it just to hate it.
The funniest and right comment, Stephane )
They should make an affordable audio/cv midi usb interface so that apps can make real things wiggle and vice versa. The modulation power of the ipad is wasted on its own bubble.
Why ? Any DC coupled Audio Interface with programs like Reaktor and Reaktor Blocks can output CV/GATE etc / ditto Bitwig and Max4Live for use with anything that is CV/Gate / Eurorack enabled.
Might not be what you want but check out CV.OCD
I would like to see a keyboard version with patch memory and the connection in/output moved to the backside instead of front. Make it a standalone playable instrument!
Another interesting overseen device to clone could be EMS Synthi AKS, which should open a new era of experimental music with vibes of the 70s. The current clones on the market of this EMS device is really out of budget scope atm for most end-users.
A comment that makes sense, wow.. finally… patch memory plus full size keys… awesome
I had no prior interest in this, but at that price I can see it being handy in emergency patching situations. A filter, a (seemingly very basic) LFO, and an oscillator would make a pretty handy little toolkit without eating up any hp.
That’s what I’m thinking. Also that in a couple of years, they’re going to reach “toy” prices on eBay.
Lets have some eurorack module, eurorack wooden case and…..of course………theremin………
RMI Harmonic Synthesizer
cheap fender rhodes mk1 and of course an xfer serum type multitimbral, vst integrated toy synth
An Oberheim 8 voice clone would be cool .. or an OBX
I am I mistaken or did Novation just do that but stable
My money is still here for an ARP2600…
Make an elektron style drum machine for less than 500
“so must interest” ? If they can’t check basic typo, how can I trust their quality check on more complex thing ‘ Pass.
You forgot to check your comment and missed either a dot or a question mark.
Please, an Oberheim OB-X clon, please, please ….
Synthi-AKS (or VCS3 Putney plus KS keyboard).
really underrated ….choice….i hope Uli see this!
Dig where other brands didnt!
F*ck these clones, make something new
Memorymoog clone, digital workstation with different synth engines and stereo sampling, Fairlight and Synclavier clone in one instrument, Oberheim Matrix 12 clone, additive synthesis/resynthesis instrument, portable classical organ.
People dont recognize innovation and “new” stuff never sells. fvck em and just give us the classics for cheap.. They will figure out that “new” and “geoundbreaking” instruments were once made already, but everyone was disinterested in them because of the VST/VSTI stuff became available for the masses at the same time.
Not super interested in clone synths, but a reasonably priced powered eurorack case would definitely fill a market gap.
Maybe Behringer could build an electribe2 clone without bugs!
I would like to see the same thing bigger, with patch memory and a sequencer.
Wow, a comment that makes sense. Thank you for that!
Please do a Oberheim OB-X to complement the moog..
Oooooo … oooooo … Matrix-12 please !!
Good, maybe this will start the kill off of the expensive elitist vintage synth garbage that has emerged over the last couple of years. Indeed Moog seemed to try an encourage price hiking by re-releasing old synths in limited numbers for about triple their worth.
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$299. Ok – however – often prices in dollars for instruments and software are the same in Euros here in Europe – i.e. €299. At present one euro is $1.19. And €299 is about $350 (!).
I’d like to see an announcement of the price of the Behringer D in Euros.
Prices in Euros nearly always include sales tax, prices in Dollars do not.
510 euros, 21% sales tax included….
https://www.bax-shop.nl/synthesizer/behringer-d-synthesizer
Thats the old price(when it was guessed to 500 euros), theyve not updated there site in over a month.
Eur/usd = 1.19
So, it should be exactly the same €299 with VAT included. (VAT = 19/20%).
A CASIO SK-1 for 1EURO,PLEASE!
They should make an SE-02!
Remake the Alesis Andromeda
M.E.M.O.R.Y.M.O.O.G. please!
How to follow up a 3U Minimoog clone for $300? A 5U version for $500.
An Akai Rhythm Wolf clone for $9.99, would be awesome. Please Uli, we know you can do it!!
You can get 5 pack of them at Walmart for $19.99. Next to the 3 pack of Time Cop.
If Moog made this exact product for twice the price I’d buy the Moog instead of the Behringer based on reputation and ethics alone.
But Moog’s closest offering is literally 12 times the price of this – and it’s discontinued. This isn’t just about American parts and manufacturing, it’s about making some really dumb design choices.
Local USA wood and Fatar keybeds are wonderful, but frivolous for those of us who just want the sound. Their 100% thru-hole manufacturing is just to appease the purists. I don’t want to pay for that crap. I just want the sound.
Perhaps Moog should have done a little market research? Whatever – this Behringer D is a very compelling product that I will most certainly buy. I hope both Behringer and Moog learn a lot from it.
Lets do a music easel or anything from buchla:)
Also a complete portable analog drum machine with sequencer, sampling and 3 independent mono voice synths with Step record, and patchable!
I mean a complete patchable portable analog music production studio with effects.
something with a effect processor with stored presets and knobs to tweak in real time so 350 synth preset effected by 300 effect processor chains real time tweak able one patch can be hundreds that way
Remake the SP-1200 but update it if you know what I mean.
There are so many options, but the main desirable ones that remain out of reach for most people are:
Yamaha CS80 or CS60
Roland Jupiter 6 or Jupiter 8
Arp 2600
Buchla Music Easel or 200e System
EMS VCS3
Fairlight CMI
Roland SH-101 or SH-2
Oberheim OB8 or OBXa
Korg Mono/Poly or Polysix
Moog Modular (Sytem 15 or System 35)
If you released good-quality, affordable clones of those 10, you could retire early.
1) A full size keyboard version of Model D
2) A tonewheel electromechanical Hammond B3 clone
3) Oberheim OBxa
4) Elka Synthex
Finally, a comment that makes sense. Thank you
If I actually have a voice here, I would like to see Behringer add patch memory, and an effects section with distortion and delay, oh….. and add 37 full size keys.
Oberheim OB Series !!!