Behringer DeepMind 12 Prices Drop 30%

We haven’t seen any official announcement on this yet, but it looks like Behringer has dropped the price of the DeepMind 12 synthesizer by 30%, along with the pricing for the other DeepMind synths.

Amazon now has the DeepMind synth series with these prices:

The lower prices are beginning to show up at other retailers, too.

Here’s an example of the sound capabilities of the DeepMind 12:

Behringer hasn’t shared any reason for the price drop. Is it because their virtual reality synth patching never took off? Or is a ‘DeeperMind 24’ in the plans? Share your thoughts in the comments!

67 thoughts on “Behringer DeepMind 12 Prices Drop 30%

  1. Probably just because the hype is long gone and the competition is high. While in Europe, they still charge us 850€ (circa 990$) for the DeepMind 12.

  2. The best value synth in the world just got even better …hopefully the new deepmind 1tb sampler is coming!!!

      1. I agree with Michael, I would never buy a Behringer product. It’s not a moral issue, it’s that their products are total garbage.

        1. Even Japanese products were “garbage” during post-War. I’m pretty sure you haven’t even touched a DeepMind (which is built billions of times better than any competitor’s synth in that price-range) or one of their great high-end mixers. We’re talking about a German company, man, a country renowned for the excellence of its companies in virtually every business. But yeah, you’re probably one of those people who “Only listen music composed with 2000$+ synths”.

  3. Gives you an idea of what their profit margins are like, manufacturing in China, that they can cut the retail cost by 30% and still presumably make a profit. Unless this is about trying to kill off the competition…

    1. They’re clearing out unsold units because sales have dropped off as the product ages. Most major manufacturers make gear in China and have similar expenses. Behringer has a massive vertically integrated factory to keep costs down – they don’t have a magical business model.

  4. I was very interested in the Behringer Model D and even interested in the Neutron, but then I read about Behringer’s lawsuits against Dave Smith and some online critics. That erased my enthusiasm for their synth products. If it weren’t for that I would have even taken closer look at the DeepMind 12 Desktop (with the price drop). At this point in time I’m not motivated to give any money to a company that moves so harshly to silence it’s critics.

    1. Agreed – Behringer’s attitude about the lawsuits really put me off their products, but that’s such an astonishing price even I’m considering picking one up. The deep cuts make me think they’re dumping stock for a “new and improved” product.

      1. Where was this discussed exactly? And if it was discussed then I assume Behringer has gone overboard to reassure the public exactly of its position, right? As far as I know it has not, and I feel exactly like many others. I would not use a Behringer product even if it were free.

      2. Okay, for the sake of seeking some clarity, this bit of info from CDM:

        “In addition to sending a cease-and-desist letter to a popular Chinese music gear site, court filings reveal Behringer tried to sue rival manufacturer Dave Smith Instruments – and unnamed GearSlutz users. And they lost.

        We’re seeing the tail end of those filings now, as Dave Smith Instruments file to recover their six-figure legal costs from MUSIC GROUP, in effect for MUSIC GROUP having filed what the courts found to be a lawsuit without grounds.”

        Obviously I haven’t seen all the court documents, but since the the courts decision was to find Behringer’s filings”… to be a lawsuit without grounds.”, this again makes me feel like Behringer is simply threatening critics as opposed to any other reason to file lawsuits such as these. If your opinion is that it was actual defamation, why did the courts find this to be “…a lawsuit without grounds”? This evidently didn’t even go to trial.

        What info do you have to support Behinger’s claims of defamation and their filings of these suits? I’d like to have clarity on this, because at this point in time, for me this is very relevant as to whether to purchase anything from Behringer or not. I’m going to do some more personal research into this issue.

      3. No it wasn’t, and ONLY BEHRINGER astroturfer would even try to insist otherwise.

        In a matter of fact, it was a pre-emptive ’SLAPP’ -attack, and Behringers suit was rejected accordingly.

        ”The suit – which was filed in June 2017 – was rejected by the court, who ruled that the lawsuit was a ‘strategic lawsuit against public participation’ (SLAPP) intended to censor Behringer’s critics by burdening them with the cost of a hefty legal defense.”

      4. “As discussed already, it wasn’t about “critics” but about personal insulting and defamation.”

        Uli doesn’t need you being his lickspittle.

        And no, your opinion doesn’t change reality. They were sued because they rightly brought up where he had cribbed designs from other products.

        HIS lawsuit was determined to be an unethical SLAPP suit and tossed out, he remains petty and hostile to the industry.

      5. https://mixmag.net/read/behringer-attempts-to-sue-dave-smith-instruments-and-forum-users-for-250-000-news

        It’s nearly impossible to sue someone for liable or defamation and win. First, you have to prove the statements are untrue. Next you have to prove that the statements caused financial or physical harm. Uli knows what he’s doing, he knows he doesn’t have an original bone in his body, so he uses the weight and threat of the court system like a bully. But it was all thrown out, as should be.

        Anyway, when I heard Behringer sued Dave Smith because Uli can’t own the fact that he’s a rip-off hack, I immediately bought a Rev2. Now it’s never-Behringer, buddy, I don’t care how cheap they are.

    2. Somewhat agree. However, there is a backstory to the lawsuit. Behringer was sick and tired of his employees being maligned. He stood up in an attempt to support their professional honor. Right or wrong, that was the essence of it.

      1. With all due respect, but that’s what Behringer says was the essence of it. As you said, it’s a story, told by Uli. Feel free to believe that tale. I for one, do not believe him.

    3. For the record, I read a lot of the documents on that case (because the accusations were serious enough for me to stop working with Behringer or doing features on their products).

      Short version: DSI’s lead engineer made some serious (and false) allegations about Behringer online, Behringer sent a C&D, the engineer agreed to wrongdoing and signed it, then apparently decided to go back at it a few weeks later. California refused to take the case, and now DSI is suing Behringer for a case they never actually had to defend.

      The original allegations were accusing Behringer of buying CoolAudio solely as a strategy to starve out DSI and other competitors of components required to continue manufacturing their products. Since the lead engineer of DSI said it, pitchforks were raised, and some foreign press picked up on it. To be fair to Behringer, it was extremely unprofessional, and DSI should have been more proactive about explaining the consequences of their representatives making conspiracy allegations on public forums.

      My ultimate take away is that everyone involved needs to unplug their modems and work on some fucking synths.

      1. If you’re going to summarize things ‘For The Record’, you can’t skip the fact that Behringer sued 21+ people for expressing opinions that were critical, and that this is what the judge decided.

        The types of things that Behringer complained about in their lawsuit was that someone called their 6-in-1 cable test a knockoff of the Ebtech 6-in-1 cable tester (which it clearly is).

        Last I saw, the judge is going to decide damages that Behringer owes DSI for filing a frivolous lawsuit.

        Behringer needs to grow a pair and understand that it’s OK for people to criticize their products and their business practices.

        1. I’m just pointing out that this particular case isn’t really DSI = good guy, Behringer = bad guy. TBH, with there being a previous C&D and gag order signed, I’m shocked that California “SLAPPed” it as it’s a pretty open and shut case.

          In the countersuit, DSI is saying that they spent 6 figures defending themselves, which is insane considering that their engineer signed a horrible gag order and NDA, and wasn’t counceled enough to understand the consequences of violating it.

          I’m very familiar with Behringer’s suits, and the truth is smack in the middle between the perception Peter over at CDM put on them and them being rightfull for their over-litigation. Like I said above, Uli needs to get away from the internet and accept that the music media is always going to sensationalize a defect, problem, or even lawsuit to increase their click-throughs.

          But if you boycott every company that bullies and sues people for questionable defamation, you’re studio is going to be very small and expensive, unfortunately.

          If you want to read the actual filing (unlike a lot of sites did before writing about it), here’s a copy: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1THPGfcMwqYim7lN4ckVJm9bZg5UbVzbP

      2. Short version: DSI’s lead engineer made some TRUE allegations about Behringer online. The stupid CT100 cable tester IS a copy of the Ebtech 6-in-1 cable tester. The Ebtech folks did a teardown and showed this. Even trivial parts of the design were copied.

        1. Yes – look in Behringer’s lawsuit, and it’s them whining about people discussing the products that they clearly ripped off. they even included photos of their ripped off cable tester design.

          They just don’t want people talking about the products they knock off or their business practices.

          Someone shared a link to a big job site on a previous Behringer article, and Behringer engineers had given the company a terrible rating, because they hated doing knockoff designs all day.

    4. When I took my political economy lessons, I was told consumers tend to select products rationally basing their choices mainly on price, quality and fitness of the product. But well… there are really bad companies out there, I suppose, and some who are total angels. Jokes aside, what happened with that blogger is something that could happen only in China, a fierce dictatorship: it’s not a case that people in the resto of the world keep literally slandering Behringer with no consequences whatsoever. For me, it’s all snobbism: when rich people (or poor people who like paying overpriced products) start to notice the music market isn’t for them only anymore, they fly off the handle.

  5. You can give your money to Behringer or you can give it to me. Today I’m announcing my own clone: The Extensive Intellect 24. And this new miracle keyboard will be a fraction of the cost of a DeepMind.

    Unlike the DeepMind, the Extensive Intellect 24 includes the Emerson+Wakeman DNA algorithm that transforms a subpar player into a virtuoso. Instead of wasting money on piano lessons, you can spend it on wizard capes, sequined jackets, and feather boas. You’ll need ’em all when you’re shredding in front of stadium crowds! For the under 55 set, there are additional DNA algorithms: Deadmau5, Richard D. James, and Marshmello. Fanfic songs were never so easy!

    The Extensive Intellect finally solves the debate about which is better: analog or digital? It can be both! Use the Extensive Intellect as a soup to nuts analog synth or run it as pure liquid DSP. Whichever sounds good to you.

    The Extensive Intellect is so inexpensive that deposits are handled differently: to reserve a unit, we send you a few dollars to hold on to.

    Expect the Extensive Intellect 24 to be released the same day the Behringer clone of the EMS Synthi hits the shops. That’s my promise to you.

    1. Not sure where you’re looking, I checked around a bit and the prices have dropped at Amazon, Sweetwater, zzounds and a couple of other sites.

      ProAudioStar has them for even cheaper, $550, but I’ve heard some horror stories about delivery times from them.

  6. Unless one of you knights of the round table want to buy me the more expensive Behringer alternatives, I will continue to buy Behringer products. Trust me I wish I could afford to, but I cant.

  7. One effect of this will be to kill the second hand market. Dropping price that far is going to piss off anyone who bought it already and just lost 30% of value. I’d sold my DM12 for $800 a number of months go. Glad I did.

    1. There’s an absurd way to solve this issue: privates reselling it could ask 100-200$ less than they currently do. Never thought a product could depreciate, eh? It’s Behringer’s fault, though, it had never happened before, not even when I bought my Korg… oh shat, forget the last line!

    1. That means the companies selling via Amazon that have discounted the price for the 12D have sold out.

      I’d try Sweetwater or zzounds.

  8. I prefer synths that don’t come bundled with a (bleep)-ton of drama. I have work to do. The biggest controversy for players should be median things like the great Nord Lead 3 failing the EU’s environmental safety test for materials or a sincere software update that really fixes an oopsie. The noise-to-signal ratio about Behringer is way too high. Its a synthesizer, not a kidney transplant.

    1. “Uli knows how to manufacture equipment for less than most. We should try to benefit from that when it makes sense for us.”

      His secret formula? Manufacture in China; pay people slave labor wages; and avoid the costs and risk of doing original designs by copying other company’s successful designs.

      If you want to copy his secret formula, don’t forget to use cease and desist letters and lawsuits to stifle criticism of your products!

      1. Where does Korg manufacture? Where does Roland manufacture? Where does Yamaha manufacture? Where does M-Audio manufacture? Where does Studiologic manufacture? Where does company xxx manufacture? Aside from very few exceptions, welcome to 2018: literally 99% of what you buy is made in China! Shocking, right? Behringer hecking pays no less, no more than its competition.

        1. It’s all relative.

          Even in China you can make ethical business.

          I strongly despise unethical business, and because no one can put stop to these unethical practices, the customer needs to vote with their wallets.

          The Behringers Slapp-tactics was the last drop, that made me to turn back from Behringer knock offs.

          Eww!

  9. Trump’s genius tariffs make it cheaper to make things overseas, and more expensive for companies to make things in the US.

    US gear manufacturers are so screwed…

  10. Perhaps they should just make a pro version where they would have decent converters inside for digital efects. The algorithms from TC are great, no question about that, but they just sound muddy on Deepmind – must be because of converters and sadly Deepmind is too much about those digital fx.

  11. I love the sound of the Deep Mind but the problem is that it is not multi-timbral. I would imagine they are coming out with a Jupiter type synth that has split and multi.

  12. Actually a lot of stuff is not made in China. Korg for example makes a lot of their stuff in Vietnam. Clavia/Nord makes most of their stuff in Sweden others makes stuff in Malaysia, Japan, Taiwan etc.

  13. I am really interested to hear the reasons & why were the prices dropped in the US only instead of world wide. Prices in the EU remain the same & this is the second price drop. Last year there was a global price drop on the Deepmind 12. All very interesting, not to mention that they are working on several new products that we may be seeing in the stores in the near future.

  14. I’m an experienced (+10 years) sound designer & synth lover and I have to say that personally this is in my top 3 synths that I have ever played in my life! maybe even the best synth, it just sounds fantastic & I fall in love with it when I’m playing it.

    In other words I would pay way more for it if I had to cause It sounds so good I don’t even care about the price!

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